cloud7
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Looking at the Arc , and noted fair number of -12m have entered, on the same theme around the 13 -14 m any opinions on a modern yacht you think would be comfortable.
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Arc opinions on suitable 45 ft
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fredrussell
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All of them I would hope. Surely any modern 40-plus foot yacht would manage such a trip comfortably?
lpdsn
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I don't believe anybody has done it yet in a McGregor 26. I did hear of a 31.7 doing it. And I know someone who did it on a stripped out 11m racer.
Other than that I think Fredussell has it right. Main issues I seem to recollect are with rudder or rudder stock failures, so maybe look to see whether your chosen boat has a history of that.
Other than that I think Fredussell has it right. Main issues I seem to recollect are with rudder or rudder stock failures, so maybe look to see whether your chosen boat has a history of that.
Skylark
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A pal of mine has crossed the Atlantic from Canaries to Caribbean twice, both time single handed. First time in an 18ft sailboat. Second time in a rowing boat.
I'm sure any modern 45ft sailboat would be more comfortable than his experiences.
I'm sure any modern 45ft sailboat would be more comfortable than his experiences.
Lucky Duck
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IIRC the First 31.7 did it with a baby on board!
Cactus Sailing
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that mad man in the "boat" undaunted is hoping to do it in 42 inches, i think you will be fine with 42ft!!!
http://www.yachtingworld.com/extrao...allest-boat-ever-to-cross-the-atlantic-107559
there were a few @ or below 32ft in last years ARC, i know because one was the same boat as mine so i followed the progress closely, of course they all finished without drama but whats comfortable for one person isnt comfortable for others
http://www.yachtingworld.com/extrao...allest-boat-ever-to-cross-the-atlantic-107559
there were a few @ or below 32ft in last years ARC, i know because one was the same boat as mine so i followed the progress closely, of course they all finished without drama but whats comfortable for one person isnt comfortable for others
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cmedsailor
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Looking at the ARC website you will see that boats doing the ARC are getting bigger and bigger. My guessing is because they are more comfortable, faster, able to carry more "home" luxuries and so on. I don't think it's because a smaller boat, as such, cannot do it.
Having said that, any properly prepared 45ft +/- boat will be able to do it.
Having said that, any properly prepared 45ft +/- boat will be able to do it.
paulieraw
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Lot of stress on the boat if you're doing it right and taking it serious. Lot of stress on the crew as well. I would put safety over comfort. though some might say comfort is a factor in safety.
duncan99210
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If this bloke on a stand up paddle board can do it (http://www.thesupcrossing.com/) then anything 45 feet long isn't going to have a problem....
steve yates
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His website doesnt seem to mention whether he actually made it though
t21
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Depends on your definition of "comfortable" - a subjective and qualitative issue. I reckon a transat becomes "comfortable enough" (to me) on a 45ft+ catamaran. I did it just once on a big mono, never again, blurgh, too much rocking and rolling and not much of that whizzy mono sailing feel thing - just flopping and flumping over the waves in 10-20 knots way way behind the beam. Not many unpaid cruisers do it several times on a mono, although a mate has done it over 30 times on a 28 foot mono. And there again some others won't cross the Atlantic on anything without jet engines preferably four in number. The 45 foot mono would be fine and comfy ... but I would question if it was a comfy motion for all during the likely 20ish day LP-Rodney Bay trip and the same applies to monos lots bigger as the vomming from bigger luxury Oysters etc kinda shows - again though, for some, not all....
Hint for downwind ocean sailing : loafing on a beanbag make the rolling more bearable, even comfy - your body is more fully supported and means lots less need to tense/relax with each wave. I bought two plastic shower proof ones in some iffy furniture shop in Lanzarote, 70euros.
um.. Is this a query about modern v full keel boats? You mentioned "modern" in the query... Heavier likely better downwind I suppose. Or is your concern regarding "comfiness" posed on behalf of possible crew, a partner perhaps? You ocean trip will be a bunch more fun with people who are mad keen to do it regardless of "comfort". You can definitely persuade people to come along ("no really, lots of people on that forum said it would be fine/comfy, darling") then maybe meet them at the other end.
duncan99210
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His website doesnt seem to mention whether he actually made it though
He did make it - took him nearly three months iirc. We met him off Morocco in mid December and he finally arrived in mid Feb.
KellysEye
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Ours was 38feet all you need is sufficient space for what you are going to eat and drink when crossing.
cloud7
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Thank you all for your comments , yes it’s important all are keen :
My list
Dufour 450
Jeanneau 44 ds
Beneteau 45
Jeanneau 449
Any opinions
t21
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Hokay so if you still have a "list" of boats from which you might buy one ... this sounds a not-immediate trip? And it also sounds like this might be a first boat, or first big boat. Not sure...
There are loads of factors to consider, from crew, budget, how long you plan to be away sailing and lots more. PLenty of folk get a boat which is just perfecct for the sorta sailing they do near home ... but isn't so ideal when it comes to living on the thing full time in the tropics. And so on. Are you JUST going to do the ARC - and then fly back? Lots do exactly this, and you can buy or even get a costs-only ride on an ARC boat. Or .. are u gonna sail around in the carib afterwards? Beware buying a boat that is all nice and cosy in the uk ... cos it can be hot and stuffy as heck once in the carib. But who cares if you gonna sail it back and do normal weekends/summer trips in UK again? And so on. So i think you gotta give more background to your plans before meaningful contributions can be made regarding one boat v another.
For starters, if you sail in the caribbean... you don't want teak (hot underfoot and even higher maintenance than in uk cos it goes all manky quicker AND cos it retains heat to make it hotter in cabins so white decks best) and you don't need deck saloon type boats (cos the big windows make it hotter inside as well) . If you are living on the boat for extended periods of time then although monos will be great for racing regattas ... catamarans might be better for cruising cos they have better living space and calmer at anchor.
Finally, although "the ARC" might seem like the only game in town regarding going ocean sailing, only around 10% of transatlantic sailaors take that ootion each year. There are good reasons to go with the ARC and other reasons not to use them ... but most don't, and choose their own departure time and place, and arrival place, whereas the ARC doesn't really offer than flexibility.
Bobc
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Or just buy a boat out there. I know of a nice DS42 going for just $60k at the moment.
KellysEye
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>Dufour 450 Jeanneau 44 ds Beneteau 45
Please do double check this is still the case, we chartered all those brands in sizes from 36 feet to 50 feet and found that Dufours were better upwind because they had a deeper keel.
Please do double check this is still the case, we chartered all those brands in sizes from 36 feet to 50 feet and found that Dufours were better upwind because they had a deeper keel.
Tranona
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That is so simplistic as to be laughable! There is nothing particularly special about the Dufour except that they do tend to aim at more of the performance end of the market. However it is not just the depth of keel that makes any difference as all the other brands are available with deep keels.
Anyway, surely the ARC is a downwind passage?
Tranona
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You might want to add the Bavaria Vision 46 to that list.
Realistically all would do the job and you have no doubt seen past (and current) entry lists which will show all these have been used. Surprisingly the Beneteau Sense range seems to be popular at the moment.
Suggest you buy the boat you like as success is more due to how well the boat and crew are prepared than the actual model of the boat.
t21
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Quite so. Choosing a transat cruiser cos it goes upwind well is "points well" is. as daft as choosing a steel boat which are excellent if you hit an iceberg ... yet also the choice of KE on his now somewhat long-ago transat...