Apologies re NtM

[tillergirl]

Humm thats quite a bit o water coming in there I would say; might I ask when did you paint her with Antifoul, assuming that its below the water line that she is taking water in, just after taken out or just before she went back in, or somewhere in between her time out ?

Because I used to find that applying the Antifoul just before dipping her back the Antifoul can be run into any small seam openings as one does the job, plus if any apparent bigger seam openings can be attended to then; just asking ?

AF primed about 10 days before, first AF coat was four days before, second AF was on the Saturday before Monday. Always at the beginning of the season. The only thing we could see was small seam openings. Did we miss it? Perhaps but what was a tap running now isn't. Can I repeat that it is considered an exceptionally dry winter and spring. I shall certainly review that seam next spring but since I am due in a winter mud berth it wouldn't surprise me if nothing wrong is found.

 

[tillergirl]

We had a wooden Folkboat that used to leak like a sieve for the first 12 hours after we launched her every spring, we stored her in a field under a tarpaulin in Essex during the winter.

Then we put her inside in Trevor Taylor’s shed at Wallasea over the winter and this reduced the launching leaks dramatically so this also backs up your thoughts that the cold wind that does the drying out

Garth Cooper (East Coast Pilot) has just brought his down to Levington having re-fitted this winter in his large Barn. His experience will be interesting.

 

[PeterWright]

Glad she's taken up properly - your mud berth next year should avoid a repeat.

In the days that mud berths were more common, any boat wintered ashore that was known to need to take up was towed straight to a mud berth on launch and left there for a few days. I was often sent to pump them each day once the ebb started to run. After that, they sat happily on their moorings, with no electric bilge pumps, for the rest of the season, often untouched from one weekend to the next.

While I accept that Daydream Believer's encapsulation works, I really don't like doing that sort of thing to wooden boats, not for any technical reason - just personal preference.

Peter

Peter

 

[Capt Popeye]

AF primed about 10 days before, first AF coat was four days before, second AF was on the Saturday before Monday. Always at the beginning of the season. The only thing we could see was small seam openings. Did we miss it? Perhaps but what was a tap running now isn't. Can I repeat that it is considered an exceptionally dry winter and spring. I shall certainly review that seam next spring but since I am due in a winter mud berth it wouldn't surprise me if nothing wrong is found.

Thank you kind Sir for clarifying the process.

I did wonder, as can be seen many times, a Craft being stripped back to the planking at the end of the season then pottered about with during mid off season, then painted up just before launching, these Craft always seem to off well dried out over the Winter as mainly nearly bear planking drying nicely in the sun and wind, oh dear, what a lot of work to correct {:-(

But as you say twas NOT the cause with your Craft. {

 

[Daydream believer]

Glad she's taken up properly - your mud berth next year should avoid a repeat.

In the days that mud berths were more common, any boat wintered ashore that was known to need to take up was towed straight to a mud berth on launch and left there for a few days. I was often sent to pump them each day once the ebb started to run. After that, they sat happily on their moorings, with no electric bilge pumps, for the rest of the season, often untouched from one weekend to the next.

While I accept that Daydream Believer's encapsulation works, I really don't like doing that sort of thing to wooden boats, not for any technical reason - just personal preference.

I can understand that but in my case the boat was a total wreck & I had to completely strip the interior away apart from 1 bulkhead & I removed the deck. Several planks had holes right through & 12 ribs were broken & planks were sprung at the bow. Chain plates were just rattling about, Roves were all sick
So if I had not epoxied it the boat would have been consigned to the graveyard. I am fortunate that I had a joinery works & 2 of my operatives did their apprenticeships as shipwrights in the London Docks, Although 80 % of the work was done by me.
When it was launched the staff at Burnham YH said that it was the first Stella that they had ever seen that had not leaked a single drop. Still had sawdust in the bilges a couple of weeks later.
So a lot to be said for it. Plus one cannot tell after it has been painted even though I had to work the mat around the clinker hull.

 

[PeterWright]

I can understand that but in my case the boat was a total wreck & I had to completely strip the interior away apart from 1 bulkhead & I removed the deck. Several planks had holes right through & 12 ribs were broken & planks were sprung at the bow. Chain plates were just rattling about, Roves were all sick
So if I had not epoxied it the boat would have been consigned to the graveyard. I am fortunate that I had a joinery works & 2 of my operatives did their apprenticeships as shipwrights in the London Docks, Although 80 % of the work was done by me.
When it was launched the staff at Burnham YH said that it was the first Stella that they had ever seen that had not leaked a single drop. Still had sawdust in the bilges a couple of weeks later.
So a lot to be said for it. Plus one cannot tell after it has been painted even though I had to work the mat around the clinker hull.

Sounds quite a job. Might have been easier to buy some timber, make up some moulds from the wreck, recover the hardware and build a new one.

 

[tillergirl]

I can appreciating encapsualtion in that state. Dare I risk suggesting that TG is in reasonable nick?

Mind you I shall try to see how she sails with no bilge keels next week!

 

[Daydream believer]

Sounds quite a job. Might have been easier to buy some timber, make up some moulds from the wreck, recover the hardware and build a new one.

My father tried to do that from new many years earlier. Tucker Brown kicked up a right fuss with Kim Holman & we could not have the drawings, although shortly after other companies did start building Stellas. I had to wait until he bought me a new one for my 21st - No 104.
The refurbished one was No 103.- 31 years later.

 

[PeterWright]

The design remained firmly in Kim's hands until he passed away, so Tucker Brown had no cause to shout about it. Several were built by yards other than TB, of course on payment of the appropriate royalty to Kim fot using his design, but that formed a very small part of the cost of build. My uncle, admittedly a personal friend of Kim, built one for himself at his Cullingham Road yard in Ipswich - she had a number much lower than either of yours. Even no. 6 was built by Petticrows just 12months after La Vie en Rose. It was from 1964 on that Tucker Brown came to dominate Stella building, when Dan Webb & Feasey finally gave up on them.

Still, great admiration for your work in restoring a boat in such poor condition - you've more patience than me.

Peter

 

[PeterWright]

I can appreciating encapsualtion in that state. Dare I risk suggesting that TG is in reasonable nick?

Mind you I shall try to see how she sails with no bilge keels next week!

She's a credit to you, sir! If the sea trials go well, will you take her to Levington to join other beautiful East Coast classics in June?

http://www.syharbour.co.uk/images/P...nnual-Classic-Yacht-Regatta-2017-flyer-v3.pdf

Not everyone taking part is an out and out racer, although of course some are.

 

[Daydream believer]

The design remained firmly in Kim's hands until he passed away, so Tucker Brown had no cause to shout about it. Several were built by yards other than TB, of course on payment of the appropriate royalty to Kim fot using his design, but that formed a very small part of the cost of build. My uncle, admittedly a personal friend of Kim, built one for himself at his Cullingham Road yard in Ipswich - she had a number much lower than either of yours. Even no. 6 was built by Petticrows just 12months after La Vie en Rose. It was from 1964 on that Tucker Brown came to dominate Stella building, when Dan Webb & Feasey finally gave up on them.

Still, great admiration for your work in restoring a boat in such poor condition - you've more patience than me.

Peter

I am sure T B built the first 8 ( ordered at Burnham week & the fact recorded in PBO - I have the copy) I am not sure that DW & F built anything like the number T B did .
The fact that No 6 was built by Petticrows does not mean it was No 6 in the build order as the numbers were all over the place. ie
No 108 Quasar build started before & launched (01 April 1968) 3 days before my No 104 (03 April 1968 : 16-31 hrs). & No 100 about a year or so later ( special that one as reserved by D Bird) No 103 was at least a year earlier with a couple in between

 

[PeterWright]

I agree that the build order did not follow strictly the numbering order, no doubt my Uncle took his time servicing paying customers before he built his, during which time no doubt others were built. I also agree that Tucker Brown built more than the rest put together, but more than enough wee built by others to show that Kim had no problem with that. There's no doubt that no.6, Persephone, was built by Petticrows and launched within 12 months of no. !, La Vie en Rose, in 1960. Nos. 3,5,7,8,10 & 16, built by TB were launched the same year, as were nos. 12,13,23 &80 built by Rowhedge Iron Works, no. 14 built by Wm. Wyatt. and nos. 17,19 & 23 built by Cardnells. After the way La Vie en Rose ailed at the '59 Burnham Week, a lot of people wanted one and there was no way TB could have kept up with the demand - 14 boats launched in in one year and there's around another 5 in that number sequence for which no launch date is recorded.

If you want to see for yourself, try:

http://stellaclass.org/boats/

Peter

 

[sailorman]

I agree that the build order did not follow strictly the numbering order, no doubt my Uncle took his time servicing paying customers before he built his, during which time no doubt others were built. I also agree that Tucker Brown built more than the rest put together, but more than enough wee built by others to show that Kim had no problem with that. There's no doubt that no.6, Persephone, was built by Petticrows and launched within 12 months of no. !, La Vie en Rose, in 1960. Nos. 3,5,7,8,10 & 16, built by TB were launched the same year, as were nos. 12,13,23 &80 built by Rowhedge Iron Works, no. 14 built by Wm. Wyatt. and nos. 17,19 & 23 built by Cardnells. After the way La Vie en Rose ailed at the '59 Burnham Week, a lot of people wanted one and there was no way TB could have kept up with the demand - 14 boats launched in in one year and there's around another 5 in that number sequence for which no launch date is recorded.

If you want to see for yourself, try:

http://stellaclass.org/boats/

Peter

About 20 yrs ago a chap who made joinery for me ( Epping Joinery) had a Stella in his yard for re build, im afraid i never got her name but did see her in a sorry state. Sadly he died during an asthma bout & i never knew what happened to the Stella

 

[Burnham Bob]

A friend with a Stella used to travel up on the train with me and every year got phone calls about the intervals between the electric bilge pump kicking in - 20 minutes, 45 minutes, an hour, three hours etc as the planks took up.

He also took great delight in the drawing he had which showed the bucket and chuck it in situ