Anyone row their sailing boat on / off a mooring ?

From Maurice Griffiths' 'Swatchways and Little Ships' (Chapter 1: Too big a boat):

"Undine was a 6 ton cutter, with a pretty hull like a smack; a powerful little ship with a full bow and a graceful long counter of the old cod’s head, mackeral tail model, and she measured, we were told, 30ft on deck with about 8ft beam... [and also heavy, deep draught and with a 12 ft bowsprit]

Like all the yachts and smacks and barges in those days when none of them had an auxiliary engine, Undine carried a sweep stowed in crutches along her starboard rail. This long and springy ash oar was as essential a piece of equipment, we were to learn, as a yacht’s mainsail, and one weekend in a calm a friendly yachtsman who had come to sail with us showed us the correct way to use it. When a vessel under sail lost all steerage way as the wind died, and was in danger of being swept by the tide down on to a channel buoy or athwart an anchored vessel’s bows, the crutch would be shipped in a fitting on the rail alongside the cockpit, the sweep slid into the crutch, and standing facing forward you worked the sweep steadily and without haste, leaning your weight on it while you reached aft from time to time to give a touch to the tiller when necessary. By working steadily and rhythmically we were astonished to find how well we could work the old boat along on the tide. You might make only a knot and a half or so through the water, but with a two knot tide under you your rate of progress over the bottom was a good three-and-a-half knots. And taken steadily with no panting or excessive exertion you could keep it up for hours with short spells in between. Many of us learned to bring our little ships home on the flood tide on a Sunday evening’s calm from 6 or 8 miles down the river, and thought little of it. For we had the hundreds of Thames barges to watch, using their long sweeps in the same manner. Sweeping was all part of the boating scene in those days."
 
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"Sweeping was all part of the boating scene in those days."

It'd be a fine thing to see the concept return. Imagine the unhurried feel of an evening where everyone accepts they must wait for the assitance of the tide, in order to reach their mooring. And imagine how slim and muscled we'd all be!
 
From Maurice Griffiths' 'Swatchways and Little Ships' (Chapter 1: Too big a boat):

"Undine By working steadily and rhythmically we were astonished to find how well we could work the old boat along on the tide. You might make only a knot and a half or so through the water, but with a two knot tide under you your rate of progress over the bottom was a good three-and-a-half knots. "

... ah the pleasure of having to use the tide. Note that trying to row against that tide will simply send you backwards at half a knot. Something is lost to sailing when those with engines are no longer governed to the same extent by the rythym of the tides.
 
A happy thought

Not long ago we had a poster on here whining about being inconvenienced by low-powered auxiliary yachts using the Portsmouth Small Boat Channel.

Imagine the howls from such as he if they had to wait behind a gaggle of yachts under oars! :)
 
Not long ago we had a poster on here whining about being inconvenienced by low-powered auxiliary yachts using the Portsmouth Small Boat Channel.

Pretty sure that was MY thread, mate!

I was enquiring if it's possible to row across to Gunwharf from outside the harbour, and wasn't much encouraged by honest responses here.

Although - once I have some oars - I doubt my big dinghy will row so slowly that I infuriate others in the vicinity. Not that I'll lose much sleep over it if I do! ;)
 
Pretty sure that was MY thread, mate!

I was enquiring if it's possible to row across to Gunwharf from outside the harbour, and wasn't much encouraged by honest responses here.

Although - once I have some oars - I doubt my big dinghy will row so slowly that I infuriate others in the vicinity. Not that I'll lose much sleep over it if I do! ;)

Your dinghy probably travels faster under oars than my yacht does under power!
 
Dan,

I think you'll find you need VHF permission from QHM ( Channnel 11 ) to cross from the Small Craft Channel to Gunwharf - though having seen the restaurant prices why would anyone want to ?!

The fast ferries and ships would be a concern, whenever off Portsmouth let alone entering I listen to QHM to try to have a clue what the next big fast hazard will be; I don't fancy rowing anything across that stretch, indeed I know of two incidents where people have died trying, though it was the tide and weather rather than ferries which got them.

Sorry to be a downer but I thought it worth mentioning,

Andy
 
Your dinghy probably travels faster under oars than my yacht does under power!

Nice idea, but I'm not as young as I used to be! I doubt I'll make any more than three knots. :rolleyes:

...I know of two incidents where people have died trying...

Cheers Andy...if I remember rightly, I wanted to know how best to meet a buddy arriving off the train at Portsmouth Harbour Station.

The best bet seemed to be to tie up at Haslar Marina and let my mate come across the harbour on the Gosport ferry...

...but it'd still require coming in up the small boat channel, so almost certainly not under sail, and preferably on the flood. All possible though. :)
 
Hi Dan,

understood; I'd deffo go for the Gosport ferry, though after pub chucking out time that is not hazard free either, some interesting eccentric people sometimes !

If planning to use your Osprey in Portsmouth much I wonder if something like a lightweight Mariner / Yamaha 2hp 2 stroke would be an idea ? The tide doesn't half rip through the entrance as I'm sure you know.
 
The tide doesn't half rip through the entrance as I'm sure you know.

Gulp...actually Andy, I didn't know. It's quite surprising, what it's possible not to notice from the upper decks of Wightlink's finest! But I've always been acutely wary of taking an unengined boat through an entrance against the tide - and Portsmouth's entrance doesn't appear to allow any emergency landing. So I'd take care never to end up climbing a descending escalator!

The rowing idea doesn't seem to be favoured or even remotely understood by competitive dinghy sailors - unsurprisingly - but I'm hopeful that an old racer like mine will row quite well, and for cruising purposes, oars will surely add great flexibility to her use.

It'd be almost unthinkable for me to need to go as fast as an outboard would push her - and assuming I wasn't in a fairway, I'd drop anchor and wait for a favourable current, rather than sail determinedly but unmovingly on the spot, as I've often observed dinghies do.

If anyone can remind me of the accepted wisdom regarding how far astern of the rower's seat to place the rowlock-pins, I'd welcome the information. :)
 
Gulp...actually Andy, I didn't know. It's quite surprising, what it's possible not to notice from the upper decks of Wightlink's finest! But I've always been acutely wary of taking an unengined boat through an entrance against the tide - and Portsmouth's entrance doesn't appear to allow any emergency landing. So I'd take care never to end up climbing a descending escalator!

The rowing idea doesn't seem to be favoured or even remotely understood by competitive dinghy sailors - unsurprisingly - but I'm hopeful that an old racer like mine will row quite well, and for cruising purposes, oars will surely add great flexibility to her use.

It'd be almost unthinkable for me to need to go as fast as an outboard would push her - and assuming I wasn't in a fairway, I'd drop anchor and wait for a favourable current, rather than sail determinedly but unmovingly on the spot, as I've often observed dinghies do.

If anyone can remind me of the accepted wisdom regarding how far astern of the rower's seat to place the rowlock-pins, I'd welcome the information. :)

Hi Dan,

I've been in Portsmouth entrance - either onboard or watching from the Sally Port - and seen well powered yachts struggle against the tide; the 12ths rule ( max flow 3 hours before and after HW etc ) is king.

If taking an Osprey in or out I'd have a close eye on the tide table and Streams Atlas, also if poss' a waterproof handheld VHF on dual watch Channel 11 ( top tip, avoid Silva ) !

I'd always keep to port with an eye on diverting to the marinas or even shore there, avoiding going mid channel which is officially naughty - and there's not much to the Eastern side apart from Camber Dock, if one has clearance to cross.
 
If anyone can remind me of the accepted wisdom regarding how far astern of the rower's seat to place the rowlock-pins, I'd welcome the information. :)

One thing I would suggest will rule it for you is the position of the thwart. This seems to be the obvious place to sit?

The other thing I would suggest is a double paddle that can be used as 2 singles.
http://www.gwdoling.co.uk/chandlery/chandlery_details.asp?stockcode=21456

If your not planning on moving the boat far a single paddle will be much handier, sitting on the front with double paddle can be surprisingly efficient for short distances...
 
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