Anyone recognise this tub and engine?

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Hidehi all.
Got a barn find here in Hastings, East Sussex and trying to ID the boat.
Thought might be a Larson?
Drive controls state 'Outboard Marine'.
The engine i have researched is out of a Ford Capri or early transit.. it's the Taunus V4 from 1963.
Manifolds look custom from steel.
Wiring is a mess but i am gradually replaing corroded connectors and getting results.
Drive splines are fine.


Stern drive is OMC Stringer.
Anyone know of parts if i need?
Also, where i get floor paint/sealant., sealant for floor area in engine bay?
And nylon coated high tension cable for steering system?
All images and a video can be viewed at:
http://www.tribidium.com/matt/boatpics.html
Any tips/advice appreciated.
Thanks Red Sage on the web
 
Those V4 motors were famous for big end failure!
I know as I snapped the crank in my "Crapi" 2ltr on the M4 doing 90 mph circa 1981 !
They are crap engines,every one I found to try to replace mine with from the scrappies had big end slap.
Boat maybe a Dijon but not certain on that,
Good luck
Rob
 
Are you sure it is a Taunus V4? There were two V4 (and V6) engines in that period, one was built in the UK (usually called the "Essex" and the other (Taunus) in Germany. Superficially they are the same, but are in fact different. No UK built vehicles used the Taunus engines until the V6 (then called "Cologne") engines in the MK2 Granadas and late Capris.
 
No, the other way round. The V4 in the SAAB was a Taunus engine. They also used a SOHC in line engine 4 designed by Triumph and not dissimilar to a Dolomite engine.

2 litre Capris built in the UK had a V4 out of the Transit, Corsair and Zephyr, but those built in Germany had the Taunus. Eventually heads were banged together and V engine production went to Germany and the straight 4 (Pinto) in UK.

Nostalgia rules!
 
Thanks for the replies all of you. Makes a change to hear stories and experience on home soil!
I posted some threads regarding the project and engine on iboats... an american site and they were quite bemused!
They knew the OMC drive (Johnson/Evinrude) but couldn't get their head around the Ford V4 attached to it!

Some say the taunus was quite a tuff engine and was used in some industrial and marine applications (with modifications).
However, those who had bits of pistons exiting the block at speed would probably disagree!
Haven't worked out which size i have yet. I have read that the difference was achieved by a shorter stroke in the 2L model, hence larger volume of air/fuel in the cylinder.

Looks like the V4 taunus might have been used ion the following cars:

Corsair V4 GT - 1965-1967 1996cc
Saab 95 V4 - 1966-1979 1498cc
Saab 96 V4 - 1966-1979 1498cc
Saab Sonett - 1966-1974 1498cc
Zephyr 4 MKIV - 1966-1972 1996cc
Corsair V4 2000 - 1967-1970 1996cc
Capri 2000 GT - 1969-1974 1996cc
Marcos 2 Litre - 1970-1971 1996cc
Consul/Granada MK1 - 1972-1977 1996cc
 
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Are you sure it is a Taunus V4? There were two V4 (and V6) engines in that period, one was built in the UK (usually called the "Essex" and the other (Taunus) in Germany. Superficially they are the same, but are in fact different. No UK built vehicles used the Taunus engines until the V6 (then called "Cologne") engines in the MK2 Granadas and late Capris.

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I',m not sure of anything with this boat!
I think it's the taunus.. Certainly looks almost identical in the image comparisons page on my website:
http://www.tribidium.com/matt/boatpics.html

cheers
 
the ford V4 taunus is totally different engine to the Essex V6 which originally as far as I know started life as a diesel unit but later produced as a petrol with the combustion chamber in the piston (BIP) and a Heron head. Ususally with a Weber 38DGAS twin choke carb which is what the engine you show appears to be. The essex was a good engine and the cologne which replaced it was nowhere near as good.

Probs wiht the essex were occasional shearing the oil pump drive shaft, and stripping timing gears as they had a fibre timing gear, usually sorted by dropping in a steel replacement.

If its a Taunus V4, swap it for a V6.
 
Thanks.
An essex possibly eh?
will see what i can find on the web for that.
Yeah, might look out for a V6.. if the lump doesn't run so well perhaps.
 
The Dagenham built V4s were related to the Essex V6 and different from the German built Taunus V4 and very different from the later Cologne V6 engines in 2.3, 2.6 and later 2.8 capacities.

As I said earlier which V4 was fitted depended on where the vehicle was made. The only crossover was the Capri as it was the only car in that era that was built in both UK and Germany. The Taunus range equivalent to Cortinas and Zephyrs/Granadas in the 60's and early 70's were different cars.

The great advantage of the V4 was its short length because it was originally designed for the Transit and later used in "poverty" Zephyr 4 (despite the super long bonnet!) and the upmarket Corsair. Its use in 2 litre form in the Capri was because the Kent engine only went to 1.6. When the Pinto engine came in, the V4 died in car applications.

The V4s (both types) were popular for marinisation because of the compact dimensions and both UK and German Ford promoted them in their own markets.
 
The 1498 cc engines are German Taunus. The UK engines were either 1700 (or thereabouts) as in the Transit and the Corsair or 1996 as in the UK built Zephyrs etc.

A good check would be the electrics. If the starter, dynamo and distributor are Lucas it will be a UK engine. On the German engines they are more likely to be Bosch.

Hope this helps
 
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The 1498 cc engines are German Taunus. The UK engines were either 1700 (or thereabouts) as in the Transit and the Corsair or 1996 as in the UK built Zephyrs etc.

A good check would be the electrics. If the starter, dynamo and distributor are Lucas it will be a UK engine. On the German engines they are more likely to be Bosch.

Hope this helps

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Thanks a lot.
The parts are Lucs so it's UK!
And i have just notice that underneath the starter motor it says Transit V4... So there it is then... a 1700cc or thereabouts.
Just got the manual from the Corsair with the engine in (both sizes) and have just traded moving two wardrobes for another Corsair V4!
Hmmm. I wonder if i could mount two V4's in the boat?..........
 
The v4 was an awful engine...different versions of it were built in dagenham and cologne and they were all terrible.Being a 60degree v4 they needed a balance shaftand even so equiped they were still rough running dogs which suffered from balancer shaft,head gasket,timing gear and general bottom end problems,in addition they were gutless breathless and just awful.
 
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