Anyone know what I should expect for a GRP repair? Pictures attached

DangerousPirate said:
I just got a reply from Ribs Marine Service and they said it's not okay to leave like this, and the repairs will definitely run in the thousands. :cry:
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Unless there's more than meets the eye, that's really really bad BS. I would put it to the boss.

It won't do any harm for a few weeks at least, and probably not until winter.

A watertight repair would take about twenty minutes plus drying time.

A beautiful repair will take a few hours. I would have expected £250 max.
 
That looks like a Nicholson 30 you have there Dangerous Pirate. Did she used to be on a mooring in Gillingham Reach?

All of the work is definitely DIY do able with some time and patience. However have you considered an insurance claim? A professional job will be almost impossible to see once finished, but a DIY one may be easy to spot. I know you have a boat that is about 50 years old, but any badly repaired damage will have a big effect on any future selling price.

If the yard did not follow your instruction to move your boat to a mooring as requested, then they have a duty of care for your boat. The damage certainly suggests it was poorly moored to sustane this amount of damage unless it was excessively rough weather. Start talking to them about a failure of duty of care of your boat and suggest you may be pursuing the repair cost through the small claims court. Personally I would claim on your insurance (provided you are comprehensively insured) and let them decide whether to pursue the yard.
 
Concerto said:
That looks like a Nicholson 30 you have there Dangerous Pirate. Did she used to be on a mooring in Gillingham Reach?

All of the work is definitely DIY do able with some time and patience. However have you considered an insurance claim? A professional job will be almost impossible to see once finished, but a DIY one may be easy to spot. I know you have a boat that is about 50 years old, but any badly repaired damage will have a big effect on any future selling price.

If the yard did not follow your instruction to move your boat to a mooring as requested, then they have a duty of care for your boat. The damage certainly suggests it was poorly moored to sustane this amount of damage unless it was excessively rough weather. Start talking to them about a failure of duty of care of your boat and suggest you may be pursuing the repair cost through the small claims court. Personally I would claim on your insurance (provided you are comprehensively insured) and let them decide whether to pursue the yard.
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This is generally good advice, but I shot myself in the foot because I agreed to leave it on the pontoon. In fact, I thought it would be saver than on the mooring. And yes, the weather was apparently very heavy. And my insurance only covers third party.

The boat is indeed a Nicholson 30, good eye, but she is native to Ayr and not the one you saw in Gillingham. They're great boats if they don't get hacked to pieces by heavy weather and whatever else was involved there.
 
DangerousPirate said:
This is generally good advice, but I shot myself in the foot because I agreed to leave it on the pontoon. In fact, I thought it would be saver than on the mooring. And yes, the weather was apparently very heavy. And my insurance only covers third party.

The boat is indeed a Nicholson 30, good eye, but she is native to Ayr and not the one you saw in Gillingham. They're great boats if they don't get hacked to pieces by heavy weather and whatever else was involved there.
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I used to race on my parents Nich 30 from 1970 to 1974, so I know them very well. I was the foredeck crew, winch grinder and tactitian. In the 1970's we had her on the plane numerous times under spinnaker in strong winds. Great Fun.
 
Concerto said:
I used to race on my parents Nich 30 from 1970 to 1974, so I know them very well. I was the foredeck crew, winch grinder and tactitian. In the 1970's we had her on the plane numerous times under spinnaker in strong winds. Great Fun.
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She also goes a lot better to windward than my cirrus. Which back then I thought was my fault for sailing her wrong, but turned out it was little my technique, just not me understanding that she needs a BIG angle to the wind, especially with the old sails she has now.

A shame she was damaged like this. I just bought her and getting ready for her first big trip.
 
At the start you did not show us the marks on the hull so a re paint would add to the cost. I also can see what looks like a pile in the side of the last photo. Has the boat moved back & the transom hit it? that would explain the chunk knocked out of the corner. We are not seeing the full story here I suspect.
 
Daydream believer said:
At the start you did not show us the marks on the hull so a re paint would add to the cost. I also can see what looks like a pile in the side of the last photo. Has the boat moved back & the transom hit it? that would explain the chunk knocked out of the corner. We are not seeing the full story here I suspect.
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No, you're not seeing the full story. I am not 100% sure what happened there, and I can't say because I am not local where the boat is. I am a bit upset about the super high prices, which seem like they try to rip me off, but I don't particularly blame them for the damage. After all, I agreed. Sure, I would think they would make sure the boat is made tight and the fenders are protecting simply because they knew I was just landing there temporarily without considering leaving it longer than overnight, so they can move it to the mooring buoy later, and then departed when they told me they would do that the next day.

No, this thread is just about the damage on hand, not blaming anyone. The scratches don't need a thread they're superficial and can be painted over easily at some point later. Ironically the boat has similar scratches on the other side, too, from shortly before I bought it :rolleyes: , but the chipped off fibreglass and gel coat do need their own thread. Wanted to know local prices and expectations, so I can make a plan whether I need someone to repair, if I can afford it, or if I can do it later on my own.

The "pillar" behind it, I think, is another pontoon, so yeah, maybe it hit that. But when I landed, I made sure to be far away from that end. And then again, the damage is quite high up, above pontoon level. Either it jumped really, really far up and down or something else happened there, that I don't know of and obviously no one is telling me. So who knows. Maybe they moved the boat. Long story short: it's an unfortunate accident, and now I need to look ahead and deal with the things as they are. And seems like I just fix this once I am down there.
 
Just considering worst case if the deck part is actually holed to the point of rain entering. I don't imagine very much getting in. Rain even salt water splash might wet the exposed glass fibres but I think it would dry out fairly quickly. So IMHO ok to leave as is. As said repair is simple until you get to the point of trying to make the repair invisible. So much filling sanding and more filling with hardening time between to get smooth then paint to match. If you are paying for it all doable but may take some time to fully fix. Just go sailing ol'will
 
In your original post there was no mention of the damage to the hull, that was revealed later. The boatyard might have inspected the damage to the transom, looked at the interior (which we have not seen) looked at the hull and based their quote on much more information than we have.

Basically you have had recommendations from us on how to cosmetically repair the transom, we don't know what the inside of the hull at the transom looks like (hopefully undamaged). However you are twitchy about the transom damage, worried about leaving it or not for some time - which suggests damage to the laminate. If its just a score you can leave it for a long time - if the laminate is damaged - you cannot repair it until it is dry. If the yard have quoted to repair the damage to the hull their figure seems not unreasonable. They would need to move the yacht to a lift, drop onto a cradle, prepare the hull (and transom), mask - its a long list.

I think, due to ignorance of what you actually asked the yard to do and our not having seen the detail of their quote I suspect we may be maligning the yard unfairly. CliveF's comment, early in the piece, has a lot of merit.

Jonathan
 
sailaboutvic said:
Out of interest , are you not insured?
Other wise what's the problem claim , that's what insurance are for genuine claims .
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I only recently boight the bpat and don't have a full survey, so since the boat is 50 years old I only get third party coverage without. I planned on doing that as soon as I finished my tasks in south east england and could take care of the new boat.


Neeves said:
In your original post there was no mention of the damage to the hull, that was revealed later. The boatyard might have inspected the damage to the transom, looked at the interior (which we have not seen) looked at the hull and based their quote on much more information than we have.

Basically you have had recommendations from us on how to cosmetically repair the transom, we don't know what the inside of the hull at the transom looks like (hopefully undamaged). However you are twitchy about the transom damage, worried about leaving it or not for some time - which suggests damage to the laminate. If its just a score you can leave it for a long time - if the laminate is damaged - you cannot repair it until it is dry. If the yard have quoted to repair the damage to the hull their figure seems not unreasonable. They would need to move the yacht to a lift, drop onto a cradle, prepare the hull (and transom), mask - its a long list.

I think, due to ignorance of what you actually asked the yard to do and our not having seen the detail of their quote I suspect we may be maligning the yard unfairly. CliveF's comment, early in the piece, has a lot of merit.

Jonathan
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I didn't want to go too much into detail as I wanted to focus on the damage and not who to blame. I already have a second thread about this and didn't want to chew through everything again.

The quote I got seems very high and for a full repair, bit I asked for the absolute minimal cover so I can deal with this later when I am around the boat and financially a little more open.

We'll see what comes out of this.
 
The quote does indeed look high, there’s usually a “but”

You’ve said that you have not seen the damage first hand, iirc. Why not simply respond to the quote by asking for a detailed breakdown. It may be easier to assess it if you know what they are planning to do. Also, knowing what they are planning to do should give you a better idea of the damage sustained.

Very many tides ago, during an autumn storm in Holyhead, my boat allegedly jumped out of the water and the pontoon cleat made a bit of a mess of my hull. The marina made it good while it was out of the water over winter. Invisible repair, no charge, happy customer.
 
Hunterlees said:
Allscot, in Dixon Blazes Industrial Estate, Glasgow South, have all the materials you need if you elect to do the repair yourself.
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( are they still there ) from what i remember they dealt in industrial quantaties , tho very friendly helpful people and may well accommodate you , otherwise a tub of P38 ( or us it 40 i can never remember , the paste not the filler ) from Halfords for around 10£ and a few sanding discs ( 120 s ) should see you up and running ?
 
My boat sustained some damage while we were in the Netherlands, involving a defect through to the glass. My solution was to buy some acetone and epoxy paste and make a rough repair to seal the hole. This didn’t look too bad, and prevented water damage until I was able to get a professional repair.
 
It is not an easy repair. the rubbing strip needs to be removed back for a few feet then the corner needs to be re formed . this is not the same as filling a dent. I might ask if the OP does actually have the skills. . It need bonding & fairing & finishing in the correct colour. Then the rubbing strip needs re fitting. Possibly a SS strip bent round the corner to support the repair might be included.
I certainly do not think that Just stuffing a load of isopon in the area is really the right way to go about it.
Then there is the painting. Awlgrip paint is not cheap . The whole area to the bow will need doing. That involves a lot of preparation prior to application.
If the OP does not have the skill set, Not to say the extensive time & facilities required than he is going to either leave as is, or bite the bullet.
First thing to do might be to move it near to home for starters. A boat miles away tends to be a liability to someone with limited time or fixed holidays.
 
It’s surprising how even simple jobs can cost once a boat is in the grasp of a yard not that they maybe dishonest but on a time sheet just getting out a ladder and pulling back a cover costs.In a Spanish yard they where very putout that the owner complained about the simple task of checking the batteries that where on the boat on the slip.Everything costs.A proper job may well cost more than you think it’s worth but it’s unlikely they are turning work away buy over chargeing
 
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