Anyone know about narrowboats?

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In the sailing world there are mass produced boats eg Ben/Jen/Bav and there is the custom made more expensive sector such as Rustler, HR, Oyster and so on.

Does anyone know who the supposedly "top of the range" builders of narrow and canal boats are?
 
The hulls are pretty much the same - steel boxes with different tops and ends. The differentiation is in the fit out which can vary from very basic to OTT waterborne apartments. Most of the fitters out are small businesses custom building to order. Buy a couple of the specialist magazines and you will easily get a feel for what is on offer.
 
Narrowboats tend to be constructed differently from blue water boats. Even the mass produced ones are not very mass produced in the way that sailing boats are.

There is a wide gulf in hull and fit out quality between the bottom and the top of the range and the hull builder and fitting out company are sometimes different companies.

It depends on what you want but a top notch steel hull Is arguably a thing of beauty if you like narrowboats. Companies like S.M Hudson come to mind.

There are a few canal forums with Narrowboat enthusiasts who would be happy to answer your questions about top end boats I'm sure.



In the sailing world there are mass produced boats eg Ben/Jen/Bav and there is the custom made more expensive sector such as Rustler, HR, Oyster and so on.

Does anyone know who the supposedly "top of the range" builders of narrow and canal boats are?
 
Springers are long gone, they were about the largest of the mass producers of narrowboats along with the likes of Liverpool Boats and one or two others, all long gone now

The hey day of mass production was during the 1970's into the early 80's. As the market developed and matured, the emphasis moved from relatively affordable mass produced boats to fairly standard designs towards boats built to order and then finally towards high end bespoke one offs

Today, you won't find anybody mass producing narrowboats, every new build is a one off the the customers precise requirements

BTW, Springers were NOT associated with thin steel as a negative quality issue (although the later 1990's Springers built after Sam Springer passed away did, in common with many other late build mass produced boats, have steel quality problems)

Springer Engineering Ltd employed only Lloyds certified welders and used only the best quality steel. Initially, at least, building boat hulls was a bit of a sideline from their main business of building tanks and pressure vessels

Early Springers were built of 5/16" plate on the bottom (7.93mm), 3/16" steel (4.76mm) on the sides and cabin. A common standard later was 10/6/4 mm (bottom, sides, cabin) although some boats were built with thicker bottom plate (as much as a marketing gimmick as anything)

Legend has it, and we have been assured it's true by an ex-employee, that Sam bought up a load of scrap steel from gasometers and used it to build the early boats. To get rid of the slight curve in the plate, it was laid on the car park and the fork lift truck driven over it repeatedly to flatten it out! The stuff was the best quality steel to start with plus it had been pickled by the gas on the inside and the elements on the outside so it was fairly unwilling to corrode

We can attest to that because when Badger, our 1969 Springer (the oldest known Springer and probably the first hull built by Sam), was surveyed in the late 90's the 3/16" plate was still 3/16" and showed no signs of any corrosion or pitting at all. In fact, the only bit of welding required was on the corners of the counter wear 30 odd years of kicking around the canals had worn the plate down to about a quarter of an inch, a tads thinner than the insurance company insisted on

Ahem ... I can waffle on about this **** for hours and hours, what else would you like to know? :D
 
Springers are long gone, they were about the largest of the mass producers of narrowboats along with the likes of Liverpool Boats and one or two others, all long gone now

The hey day of mass production was during the 1970's into the early 80's. As the market developed and matured, the emphasis moved from relatively affordable mass produced boats to fairly standard designs towards boats built to order and then finally towards high end bespoke one offs

Today, you won't find anybody mass producing narrowboats, every new build is a one off the the customers precise requirements

BTW, Springers were NOT associated with thin steel as a negative quality issue (although the later 1990's Springers built after Sam Springer passed away did, in common with many other late build mass produced boats, have steel quality problems)

Springer Engineering Ltd employed only Lloyds certified welders and used only the best quality steel. Initially, at least, building boat hulls was a bit of a sideline from their main business of building tanks and pressure vessels

Early Springers were built of 5/16" plate on the bottom (7.93mm), 3/16" steel (4.76mm) on the sides and cabin. A common standard later was 10/6/4 mm (bottom, sides, cabin) although some boats were built with thicker bottom plate (as much as a marketing gimmick as anything)

Legend has it, and we have been assured it's true by an ex-employee, that Sam bought up a load of scrap steel from gasometers and used it to build the early boats. To get rid of the slight curve in the plate, it was laid on the car park and the fork lift truck driven over it repeatedly to flatten it out! The stuff was the best quality steel to start with plus it had been pickled by the gas on the inside and the elements on the outside so it was fairly unwilling to corrode

We can attest to that because when Badger, our 1969 Springer (the oldest known Springer and probably the first hull built by Sam), was surveyed in the late 90's the 3/16" plate was still 3/16" and showed no signs of any corrosion or pitting at all. In fact, the only bit of welding required was on the corners of the counter wear 30 odd years of kicking around the canals had worn the plate down to about a quarter of an inch, a tads thinner than the insurance company insisted on

Ahem ... I can waffle on about this **** for hours and hours, what else would you like to know? :D

If you were going to buy one now, with no financial constraints, who would you buy from?
 
If you were going to buy one now, with no financial constraints, who would you buy from?

The hull would be a very close replica of a Cowburn & Cowpar motor but as to who would build it I'd have to shop around now 'cos the guys I would have gone to back in the day have either moved on, retired or turned up their toes! I believe there's a guy started up a company specialising in rivetted replica hulls again

I'd fit her out myself 'cos that way I'd get exactly what I wanted
 
The hull would be a very close replica of a Cowburn & Cowpar motor but as to who would build it I'd have to shop around now 'cos the guys I would have gone to back in the day have either moved on, retired or turned up their toes! I believe there's a guy started up a company specialising in rivetted replica hulls again

I'd fit her out myself 'cos that way I'd get exactly what I wanted

There is one in build
http://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=32957&st=0
 
My hull was built in 2001 by Gorton Boatbuilders of Market Drayton, reputed to be good builders of hulls, as confirmed by the surveyor, and on here, I think. It was fitted out partly by one firm, then finished by another.

Piper is another hull that seems to be talked well of.
 
When coming back to a narrowboat from a barge I searched long and hard to find a boat that I was happy with. Both the builder and the fitter of the one I bought are long out of business, in their day they were top of the range. Its all the little touches like long double curved swims, which I will admit I didnt know the boat had until I saw it at survey, recessed mount for central anodes etc that make a good builder.
There are several mass market builders but these are getting less and less due to the recession. One serious thing to bear in mind is stage payments as many have been burnt by builders going bust in the middle of a build.
 
Thanks for the comments on builders.

If you have a narrowboat, or widebeam narrowboat in the UK and want to do the European canals is it possible on a calm day to drive it over, or does no one risk that and have it shipped?

Or, is there a compromise boat, like a Dutch barge that can do the occasional passage in the sea?
 
It can be done, would I do it, probarbly not, even with 35+ years experience.
Tidal passages are one thing crossing the channel is a whole different ball game.
One thing I would add is that a narrowboat or a fat narrowboat is not the best boat for mainland europe allthough it can be done.
This
http://www.billybubbles.demon.co.uk/
Is well worth a read he has been as far as Poland on Rosy.

Me I would go for a British Barge far less common than those Dutch types.
 
This would make a wonderful barge none were ever built so it would be unique and if I did have the money its what I would go for but scaled down to 65ft to keep it below the TRIWV regs


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