Anyone in Amsterdam identify this

[Sticky Fingers]

We've just spent a few days in Amsterdam, we spotted a boat in the City Marina IJdock on Westerdoksdijk, red hull. No good pics I'm afraid but it features on Google Maps dates 2017, so is probably a resident. Like to know what it is, ideally identify the builder. Mrs Scala very taken with the look...

I appreciate this is a long shot but maybe someone lives nearby. ... The boat in question is nearest the camera, you can see the superstructure and some of the red hull by the bow.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3...4!1s_AnSCpQZ_lSIEf3sRgIszA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656



Can ayone identify the boat?

 

[MapisM]

No need to live nearby, that's reasonably easy to identify - just click here.

Btw, it never ceases to amaze me how many women find lobster boats attractive, because imho they are pointless in so many ways that if I should list them all, I wouldn't know where to start... :ambivalence:

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Ah thank you, that looks like it.

Appreciate that the style may be a subjective thing but why are boats like this "pointless in so many ways...", start wherever you like!

 

[MapisM]

Sorry, I guess that my comment came through as a bit harsh.
Lobster-style boats have been fashionable for a while, and they sold reasonably well, so they obviously appealed to some boaters - and in this respect, who am I to argue?
But in a nutshell, the reason why I don't like them is akin to all other nostalgia-driven marketing creations, like the Menorquin or the many wannabe trawlers. Boats where function follows form, with no real innovations/advantages.

In this particular case, it's interesting to compare the boat with the more "classic" flybridge alternative offered in those years by the same group, i.e. the Ferretti 630. At the same size, the latter was a much better boat in all respects - aesthetic aside, which is of course subjective: larger interiors, almost twice the f/b space (with double access), capable to store a much larger tender (together with a jetski, if desired), side door, 15% faster with the same power...
And while I'm not positive about this, I half remember that the Mochi price tag was very close to the certainly not cheap Ferretti, if not even a tad higher! :ambivalence:

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Ah Ok, style vs practicality fair enough. Having looked up a couple available on the used market it's way above what we could spend anyway so probably an entirely academic exercise. But I've learned something, so thank you!

 

[sailorman]

Thanks for the link, Im now over at the Sixhaven :encouragement:

 

[Sticky Fingers]

You can maybe see that boat ("Gaia") from where you are.

 

[sorabain]

No need to live nearby, that's reasonably easy to identify - just click here.

Btw, it never ceases to amaze me how many women find lobster boats attractive, because imho they are pointless in so many ways that if I should list them all, I wouldn't know where to start... :ambivalence:

noob question, but what makes this a "lobster boat"? It looks fairly typical leisure to me and not much like an actual lobster boat.. is it just the long open cockpit?

Edit: well i actually read more of the article now:

"Ferretti hadn't really copied the lobsterboat at all. He'd interpreted it, just like some American builders had. Yes, there were vestiges of the classic blue-collar workboat—tumblehome aft, a generous cockpit, and pilothouse well forward..."

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Managed to get a few pix of this boat. Looks gorgeous (to me) Regardless of practicality or affordability....

 

[MapisM]

Managed to get a few pix of this boat. Looks gorgeous (to me) Regardless of practicality or affordability....

Just to elaborate further on my previous "pointless" comment (which btw was related to lobster boats in general, not just the Mochis), of course I didn't mean to dismiss their look.
Aside from the fact that aesthetic is a subjective matter, it's hard to deny that Ferretti did a great job in turning the "New England workboats" idea into something that has absolutely nothing to see with them, while still exploiting their nostalgic glamour very effectively.
Just have a look at the following pic: doesn't she fit beautifully in Portofino? :encouragement:

Otoh, imho it's unfair to summarize the comparison with other boats as "style vs practicality", because it's not like other boats can't be elegant.
It's actually the opposite, ugly 20m flybridge boats being pretty much an exception, rather than the norm.
On top of that, most if not all 20m "normal" flybridges perform better, because they are built around plain vanilla P hulls, rather than somewhat peculiar and extremely beamy hulls, whose original purpose was to store as many pots as possible inside a huge, completely open cockpit.
Bottom line, it's hardly surprising that after these boats enjoyed some years of high fashion, they are nowadays a very small niche, aimed at boaters who like their specific style "no matter what", so to speak...

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Thanks, that's a useful perspective. Still can't afford one though!

 

[Portofino]

Picking up on MapishM.s earlier point of his wife liking them,my wife likes them too .
They do a nice 44 as well .The tender storage is innovative since the rear deck is higher and it fits in a letterbox under the cockpit sole as opposed to a fat arsed look tender garage with a sun pad for dwarf s often seen on forty ish ftr sports boats ,say a Targa 47 for comparison .
The lack of garage sticking up at the back means more cockpit space in the boat .

Also it’s gel coat the colour not paint .Many we viewed like in prawn or pale yellow had chalked quite badly at the curved rear haunches in the med sun .
So a good candidate for a paint job .They say a paint job if done properly needs no annual gel coat polish just a wash
They come is prawn , pale yellow , Wedgwood blue , black ,pale green .

We like them .They do a 52 irrc as well .

 

[MapisM]

Picking up on MapishM.s earlier point of his wife liking them,my wife likes them too.

Actually I said "many women" like them. Not that Ms.MM doesn't: she's also attracted by their general lines, but when we looked for a boat replacement, she wouldn't have touched one with a barge pole.
Then again, she fell in love with the timber trawler which we eventually bought and kept for 17 years, so she's even less representative of general tastes than myself, I reckon...
Surprised to hear that you also like them, though: 12 degrees deadrise on a 6m+ wide hull, should I say more...?

 

[Portofino]

Surprised to hear that you also like them, though: 12 degrees deadrise on a 6m+ wide hull, should I say more...?

Ahhh , it would have been the 44 then .
Would have scratched deeper below the surface. Irrespective of the technical abilities etc it’s the aethetic side , bit like sunflower to a bee that starts the initial attraction.Which is what’s happened with the OP

I,am a big fan of try before u buy as well. We can’t go backwards slamming wise .

Anyhow all academic now we are sorted thanks .

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Ahhh , it would have been the 44 then .Would have scratched deeper below the surface. Irrespective of the technical abilities etc it’s the aethetic side , bit like sunflower to a bee that starts the initial attraction.Which is what’s happened with the OP...

Indeed

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Thread resurrection a year later, cash in the bank and now starting the active shopping, looking at these again.... Any views changed? We could buy a 44 or maybe a 51. I seem to be drawn to Italian boats. Style over function....

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Sorry, I guess that my comment came through as a bit harsh.
Lobster-style boats have been fashionable for a while, and they sold reasonably well, so they obviously appealed to some boaters - and in this respect, who am I to argue?
But in a nutshell, the reason why I don't like them is akin to all other nostalgia-driven marketing creations, like the Menorquin or the many wannabe trawlers. Boats where function follows form, with no real innovations/advantages.

In this particular case, it's interesting to compare the boat with the more "classic" flybridge alternative offered in those years by the same group, i.e. the Ferretti 630. At the same size, the latter was a much better boat in all respects - aesthetic aside, which is of course subjective: larger interiors, almost twice the f/b space (with double access), capable to store a much larger tender (together with a jetski, if desired), side door, 15% faster with the same power...
And while I'm not positive about this, I half remember that the Mochi price tag was very close to the certainly not cheap Ferretti, if not even a tad higher! :ambivalence:

But tbf the Mochi did ride a bit better, while offering a bit less accommodation. The Mochi Dolphin started more with hull first rest second.
That is not to say the Ferretti 630 was engineered bad, but in rough sea the Mochi does give you better handling.
IMO the first model of the Dolphin series the 51 still looks best.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

12 degrees deadrise on a 6m+ wide hull, should I say more...?

They do not ride bad though. Acampora hull with a nice fore foot and a nice flair. The low medium deadrise aft does give you advantage as lower planning speeds, and also usually if the warp is made well does beamy seas very good. I mean even new Vikings have 10-12 degrees hull (low medium Vee) and they do ride very well in rough seas.
Also as many Ferretti projects which close for the most 15 it is all about how the hull is up to about midships to 3/4 of the hull.

Deep Vee wins easy in following seas, but its balance is also key to make it work how it should in the rest. So dead-rise enough does not always cut it.

A good example for this is the Fairline Targa 33 great hull with 21 degrees deadrise if I remember well (one of the couple Olesinski hull deeper then 21). This boat rides very well, but give her sea with waves beyond her hull length and it is a pain, because its planning speed is 19 knots with stern drives down and you start flying all over the place.
Following sea you can throw anything to her and beam seas tend to make her a bit too much.

That is why Magnum and Itama work well with Deep Vee because apart the hull which is nothing of ground breaking (very similar to the original Hunt Bertram 31) is designed around balance.
More so in balance is Itama then Magnum.