Antibes and boat on movie, Leicester Square premier next week

MapisM said:
Well Emily, if your brief résumé is anything to go by, I'm sure you'll have better ways to celebrate your b'day than joining the Leicester Square crowd... Good for you! :encouragement:
But above all, thanks for contributing to the debate, because yours is obviously a very valuable viewpoint, in this context.
Now, if you don't mind me (one of the out-dated old farts! :)) asking, why exactly do you consider their credit "rightly earned", if as you say it's basically due to a coincidence?
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Sorry for the late reply, I left off running a small clothes business from my list and I'm getting ready for a small stand at a Christmas fair! They deserve credit because they have made it in a harsh environment. It isn't easy to put yourself out there on a youtube video of their style; it takes a lot of talent. Try it, I have and it's hard. We've all got one or two videos in us but to keep an audience over a period of time requires dedication and underlying talent. You can see straight through people who aren't genuine.

To say it was a coincidence that they became famous simply because they were there at the right time isn't correct. They seized an opportunity which might not have existed before, and went for it.

Hope this answers your question. Oh, and I'm having my party on Saturday night so could no doubt dig something out of the wardrobe for the red carpet on the off chance anyone had a spare ticket!!! :)

Em x
 
henryf said:
Hope this answers your question.
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Yes, thanks.
But I hope you didn't read in it what I didn't say (something your answer lead me to believe), i.e. that they don't "deserve" the credit.
This would imply that they aren't good at what they do, which is obviously not true.
Frinstance, faking an accidental jump in a Venice canal, but actually jump in it for the camera, that's something which takes passion indeed - chapeaux to such commitment.
Trust me when I tell you that, if nothing else, the guy had genuine reasons to say what he said, while floating in it... :ambivalence:

I still believe that they didn't "earn" such credit instead (and "coincidence" was your wording, anyway) , but I fear that by explaining why I might just strengthen your prejudices on old farts.
So, let's agree to disagree, and happy birthday! :)

PS: oh, and just in case you would meet the chap on Sunday, suggest him to reverse the hands when grabbing the waterski handle.
It surely isn't a mistake he made for the sake of appearing weird, because it's a detail too sophisticated for his followers, therefore he might actually find the hint useful. :encouragement:
 
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I watched the whole movie last night - they sent me an embargoed DVD. I thought it was pretty good. No Oscars, but some bits were funny and all the boat photography was slick. The outakes and deleted scenes are worth a look too -the two guys together in the boat's bathtub

Emily, thanks for the view thru your eyes, and happy birthday. I think old farts think that young people spend hours looking at gormless videos instead of doing something useful, but that can't be right else the world would be grinding to a halt. You can watch this stuff (and other social media) very quickly on a smart phone while going doing something else - multitasking - and I think old farts forget that. The premiere on sunday is fully booked out I'm afraid; if I'd been able to get tickets I'd have sent you some (secret is, it is one of the smaller screens, not the massive odeon screen in Leicester Sq)

I thought Caspar and Joe were two really pleasant young guys (btw they're 22/23 yo, iirc). As polite as any guests who have been out on the boat, good company and funny. The whole team had a fun day out and as you'll see in the full movie when they talk about it in the VW campervan afterwards they said it was their best day out ever or something. I'm not in movie (except background in a few shots) so a guy called Pascal pretends to be the boat owner. But when Joe says in the VW van afterwards "Isn't Pascal a nice guy" he meant the boat's owner, ok?!!!!

Caspar hadn't waterskied in years MapisM, since a kid, so was a bit rusty. It was an impromptu idea and the ski was old and had a ripped binding. He did a pretty decent sitting dock start, to be fair, and he also did well to get up on one ski a 70hp boat with 4T engine and too-coarse prop, so bravo to him. Initially he was going to have both hands same way till I reminded him to oppose his hands, so if he got it wrong then blame me not him. However, I don't think he got it wrong: while left palm down is normal for left foot forward skiers, plenty of LFF pros have left palm up. All depends on your left handed/righthandedness which is often not as binary as people expect: I write left handed, play tennis and use a screwdriver/saw righthanded, ski LFF and left palm up and always have done; Caspar was similarly screwed up :D. I realise there might be a few mm advantage outstretched while slaloming but people usually choose what their body tells them afaik
 
jfm said:
plenty of LFF pros have left palm up
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Mmm... Really? There aren't many top dogs in this discipline who are LFF, to start with.
The only names that pop to my mind are Parrish and Beauchesne, but I couldn't tell by heart how they grab the handle, so I had to google for some of their video - and they are both left palm down.
Regardless, I don't disagree that to some extent it's an each to their own things, but quite often it's just a matter of having been teached to keep the right palm down by someone who just didn't consider the foot position - hence my previous comment.
Anyway, that's fine, Emily can still pass the suggestion to CL and tell him to blame Pascal! :p
I would never dare blaming you for not having earned your credit though, so on balance I'd rather be jfm than CL. Age and look aside, that is! :D :D

On a separate note, while googling for those two LFF folks, I came across some sad news on your compatriot Andy Mapple, who passed away last August at 52, apparently due to a heart attack.
I met him at the world championships in Milan (15 years ago or so), which he won hands down. Watching him on the water was pure poetry in motion.
RIP Andy. If I may quote Brecht twice in the same thread, you sure were up there among the strongest, those who fight their whole life. The indispensable ones.
 
Millions of Youtube hits ..... a dedicated legion of fans ....... jetset lifestyle .......... and that's just JFM ! Seriously, these 'Youtubers' do seem to be the Social Media -age equivalent of the Monkees, Partridge Family etc etc , but even bigger; so it came as no surprise to read in the media (BBC) that their / Zoelle's presence is the result of careful selection by the impresario - the only difference being that the latest generation don't seem to have any dubious baggage in their past!

Having watched at a distance some of the filming for the Antibes element of this movie I was blown-away by the amount of equipment / people involved in what I assumed was a low-budget event. Wrong Again!

Good Luck to them ... success is so much harder to find now for youngsters compared to the easy days had by those of us born in the 50's, & 60's
 
I'm with JFM, write with left hand do everything else with the right. Indeed my personal trainer has commented that my right arm is much stronger than the left ;).

Anyhow, this vid, isn't it a 'Perfect Road Trip' for teens? Fair play if it is.

On the topic of kids wasting time, I have friends whose kids spend half of their waking hours playing Minecraft. The rest of their time they watch YouTube video of other people playing it.
 
EME said:
Millions of Youtube hits ..... a dedicated legion of fans ....... jetset lifestyle .......... and that's just JFM ! Seriously, these 'Youtubers' do seem to be the Social Media -age equivalent of the Monkees, Partridge Family etc etc , but even bigger; so it came as no surprise to read in the media (BBC) that their / Zoelle's presence is the result of careful selection by the impresario - the only difference being that the latest generation don't seem to have any dubious baggage in their past!

Having watched at a distance some of the filming for the Antibes element of this movie I was blown-away by the amount of equipment / people involved in what I assumed was a low-budget event. Wrong Again!

Good Luck to them ... success is so much harder to find now for youngsters compared to the easy days had by those of us born in the 50's, & 60's
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I am slightly concerned you know so much about Zoella......

I had the misfortune of watching four of them with my daughter over the weekend and you have to look twice at the number of views each (not all) vids have had!!! no wonder she recently moved into a million quid house in Brighton...from a standing start.
 
MapisM said:
Mmm... Really? There aren't many top dogs in this discipline who are LFF, to start with.
The only names that pop to my mind are Parrish and Beauchesne, but I couldn't tell by heart how they grab the handle, so I had to google for some of their video - and they are both left palm down.
Regardless, I don't disagree that to some extent it's an each to their own things, but quite often it's just a matter of having been teached to keep the right palm down by someone who just didn't consider the foot position - hence my previous comment.
Anyway, that's fine, Emily can still pass the suggestion to CL and tell him to blame Pascal! :p
I would never dare blaming you for not having earned your credit though, so on balance I'd rather be jfm than CL. Age and look aside, that is! :D :D

On a separate note, while googling for those two LFF folks, I came across some sad news on your compatriot Andy Mapple, who passed away last August at 52, apparently due to a heart attack.
I met him at the world championships in Milan (15 years ago or so), which he won hands down. Watching him on the water was pure poetry in motion.
RIP Andy. If I may quote Brecht twice in the same thread, you sure were up there among the strongest, those who fight their whole life. The indispensable ones.
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Yes Andy Mapple's death was indeed very sad, and surprising at such a young age. He was the planet's Mr Slalom. As a kid he was locally famous because he lived next town along the coast from me in NW England and I too learned and skied on Lake windermere where he started, though I never met him. RIP

I've never thought hard about the numbers but Google Image "slalom waterski" shows LFF and left palm up competitive skiers, and a couple of RFF left palm down. IIRC, left/right hand split across the population is about 20/80, but nearly all right handers tend to be consistently right-everything (so, left palm up) whereas left handers tend to be "mixed up" ie they do lots of things right side and lots of things left side. Plenty of left handed writers hold a cricket bat right handed but bowl lefthanded, for example (incl me!). That perhaps explains why, among LFF water skiers (who are obviously minority cf RFF) you get both left and right palms up. I can't see any body-geometry reason why it would matter, in terms of getting around the buoy whether onside or offside.
 
Anders_P42 said:
I read an article on one of the UK papers recently, the channel below has 40M+ subscribers and more importantly 10 Billion + views, the chap earned something like $6M last year!

https://www.youtube.com/user/PewDiePie

If you can attract followers you're financially sorted.

Anders
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I just watched the most popular of his videos, which is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRyPjRrjS34

Seventy million views.

I managed about 50 seconds. Maybe it improves immeasurably at 51 seconds but I couldn't stand any more...
 
jfm said:
I can't see any body-geometry reason why it would matter, in terms of getting around the buoy whether onside or offside.
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Agreed. In fact, I don't think the handle grip has anything to see with the turn, where you're supposed to use just one hand anyway.
The only geometrical difference I can think of while turning, due to the handle triangle, is that each hand must withstand the pull at a very slight angle, putting a bit of wrist strain either on one side or the other, depending on whether the handle center is closer to the small finger or to the index - which is the reason why they invented the bent handles.
But that's purely hair splitting: I never heard anyone (not even pros, who can be anal on just about any detail!) mentioning that.

I'm not sure to remember exactly the reasons behind the "leg forward=palm down" theory - I should check with a friend of mine who btw had not only the pleasure to meet that great chap Andy, but also to race against him. He's the one who introduced me to this stuff, ages ago.
But I think it has to see with the crossing rather than the turn, because while crossing you can pull more effectively when your palm down hand is the "internal" one, i.e. the one nearer to the boat.
Otoh, your stronger leg works better when it's on the opposite side of the boat (which is maybe more intuitive than the former).
So, unless I'm mistaken, the theory is that by grabbing the handle palm down with the same hand of the forward leg, you actually compensate these different strengths, having one "leg-strong" and one "arm-strong" side, as opposed to having one "all-strong" and one "all-weak" side.

To be honest, I might well be mixing up something, but I'm pretty sure that there are some compensation reasons behind the theory.
Which only applies AOTBE, anyway - goes without saying that "whatever works" remains a valid alternative to any theory! :D
 
MapisM said:
Which only applies AOTBE, anyway - goes without saying that "whatever works" remains a valid alternative to any theory! :D
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I'm right handed but unusually play ice hockey using a 'right' stick, ie. right palm up. That would make me a LFF, right palm up -water skier, couldn't imagine holding the handle left palm up. TBH, on the very few occasions I ski these days, I keep both palms down... :)

For some reason that is the only sports thing I do 'wrong handed' compared to my fellow right handers, so it's quite funny how these attributes develop.

Based on absolutely no theory at all but on my subjective feeling on the matter, I would say that "whatever works", based on each individual's peculiarities, is the deciding factor.
 
Hang on K, what does the way you grab the hockey stick have to see with being LFF or RFF on a monoski?
I mean, the debate on the ski handle is somewhat academic, but the leg does make a big difference.
You must find out which is your stronger (or "dominant", as is usually called) leg first, and put it forward.
Keeping the palm down on the same side is just a consequence, as theory goes, but by all means much less relevant.
I would never dare suggesting you (or anyone else) to reverse the feet just to be consistent with your preferred way to grab the handle! :)
 
MapisM said:
Hang on K, what does the way you grab the hockey stick have to see with being LFF or RFF on a monoski?
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Nothing as such, my point was while the left/right handedness often dictates the preferred side on any activity, the practice is sometimes a more mixed bag (for example me being right handed but using a 'right' stick). And that these individual preferences are so strong that doing things the 'wrong' way just wouldn't work. Again, I would be totally useless with a 'left' stick and would find skiing the right foot forward very difficult. Hence my comment on "whatever works".
 
Aha, understood.
Yep, the "whatever works" rule definitely comes first on these things - particularly when you are already used to something, while it's a bit easier to follow the "correct" theory when you begin, in my experience.
Back in the days when I began slalom waterski, while I had no doubt that RFF worked better for myself, I didn't perceive any difference in the two alternatives for grabbing the handle. Therefore, I just did what that friend of mine suggested.
After a few seasons while a did a fair bit of w/ski on the lake, I would have not even considered to grab the handle the other way round, 'cause it became a habit in the meantime... :)
 
MapisM said:
Aha, understood.
Yep, the "whatever works" rule definitely comes first on these things - particularly when you are already used to something, while it's a bit easier to follow the "correct" theory when you begin, in my experience.
Back in the days when I began slalom waterski, while I had no doubt that RFF worked better for myself, I didn't perceive any difference in the two alternatives for grabbing the handle. Therefore, I just did what that friend of mine suggested.
After a few seasons while a did a fair bit of w/ski on the lake, I would have not even considered to grab the handle the other way round, 'cause it became a habit in the meantime... :)
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Yes, definitely agreed that generally following the correct theory whilst learning things is much better.

Did a bit of googling on the matter and it appears that these left/right handnesses are not so 'hard wired' after all. For example, majority of US NHL-players play using a 'right' -stick while majority of Canadian NHL-players are 'lefties'. There are two very unscientific theories behind this:

1) US parents buy a 'right' handed stick for their right handed kids (as the label in the stick suggests)
2) US kids play baseball as kids, which leads to shooting from the right

Once you pick up either side the whole body starts to adapt.

Anyway, quite a drift, better end it here :)
 
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