Anti Social Behaviour

[Simes]

The time is 00:48, we are in East Cowes Marina on B3. Opposite us on A3 and A4 a pontoon party is in an "Ongoing" state. There is music loud enough that it is preventing sleep and is disturbing our night. Lots of braying laughter and generally loutish behaviour.

I am not complaining about people having fun or enjoying life, but it is now 01:01 on Sunday morning.

I have just returned from trying to reason with the "lead" boat. a large Ancona with around 20 people drinking and smoking on the pontoon and possibly 20 more in and around the cockpit of this and of the other boat "True Blue" moored next to her.

When I asked "where are you from"? the answer . . . "Wales!"

Next question "you are aware that the time is half past midnight?" the answer . . . . "So!"

I have always promoted sailing as a sport where you would meet a nicer type of person, clearly I need to revise my views.

It is just starting to rain so I guess that they will now go inside and we and other visitors to this nice marina can get some sleep.

Yours Simes

 

[Babylon]

Ask the marina for a refund?

Really sorry your evening/night was upset by these hallabaloos.

There's probably very little more you can have done last night aside from having talked politely to them. But you can speak to the marina office this morning, and if there were any other people onboard their boats who were also disturbed then you might suggest they also complain. You could even ask for a partial refund from East Cowes Marina for the unreasonably disturbed night!

Another approach is to offer up a quiet prayer that the crew and guests of these two boats from hell are very very sick today.

It is worth noting that the vast majority of sailors are much more considerate.

Babs

 

[Csail]

Just a normal night here in wales. Be fair it was Saturday.
If just a one off i think i would accept it.
I actually would have joined them.
Were they watching the rugby?

 

[rivonia]

Just a normal night here in wales. Be fair it was Saturday.
If just a one off i think i would accept it.
I actually would have joined them.
Were they watching the rugby?

In my humble oppinion they were LOUTS. If you say that you would join them then it puts you in the same catagory.
My heart goes out to the people simes. Just a thought is the marina manned 24 hrs? if so I would have VHF'd them and complained. It is just not on. Well done for keeping your head and being polite. Being ex military I sometimes respond in a different manner so they know where I am coming from.

Peter

 

[Simes]

Sea Louts

Hello Peter,

I agree with you they were louts, my Wife is of to the marina office this morning to enquire what could be done.
I am also exmil' (RAF) and do on occasions have to keep my calm.

This seems to me to be happening more and more often, there is, it would seem, an element of "sod you Jack, I'm all right" creeping into the world of sailing.
It used to be that this sort of behaviour was confined to Cowes week or the other celebratory occasions, now all you need is to be drunk with no consideration for others.

Does this sort of thing go on else where, how about in your home marina or harbour, or is it confined to the South coast of England?

Today will be better,

Simes

 

[webcraft]

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In my humble oppinion they were LOUTS. If you say that you would join them then it puts you in the same catagory.

So if you want to party after midnight you are a lout? Oh dear.

The OP's attitude seems to be that twenty or thirty people should stop doing what they want to do because it upsets him. A little more tolerance/flexibility on the OP's part might be in order.

I doubt if the marina will be very sympathetic. They make will make more money from the three party boats, who will remember what a good time they had there and will come back. OP should go anchor up a deserted creek somewhere if he wants peace.

- W

 

[RichardS]

Attached picture was taken mid-week in Komiza, Vis Island, Croatia in August this year. The bay was full including this raft of more than 25 charter boats full of young Scandinavians - I guess at least 150 people - who started arriving in the late afternoon.

The partying started as soon as they arrived but stopped at about midnight when most of them went off to the town disco which was out of earshot. Unfortunately the party started again around 3am when they returned and continued until the sun came up around 6am when we finally got some sleep! I woke up around 9am as the heat built up - most of the rafted boats had slipped away by then!

Several times between 3am and 6am I heard requests for silence from, I assume, the charter skipper. The music and singing volume would go down for a few minutes before inevitably coming back up. Different boats were even playing different CDs at the same time!

I'm all for young people enjoying themselves and, although we have two children aboard, I had no issue with the partying till midnight.....but the session till 6am has surely got to count as a "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment" (UN Treaty on Torture)!

Richard

 

[csharpatsea]

The OP's attitude seems to be that twenty or thirty people should stop doing what they want to do because it upsets him. A little more tolerance/flexibility on the OP's part might be in order.

You appear to have hit the bottle early this morning WebCraft, that was closer in style to your 11pm prose.

 

[Lakesailor]

I'm all for young people enjoying themselves

Nonsense. I was young once and I think that was quite enough.

 

[VO5]

So if you want to party after midnight you are a lout? Oh dear.

The OP's attitude seems to be that twenty or thirty people should stop doing what they want to do because it upsets him. A little more tolerance/flexibility on the OP's part might be in order.

I doubt if the marina will be very sympathetic. They make will make more money from the three party boats, who will remember what a good time they had there and will come back. OP should go anchor up a deserted creek somewhere if he wants peace.

- W

No...that's not the way to go about it.

It would be far better to try to educate them a bit by playing them some classical music very loud.

I have some works in mind...the 1812 Overture, The Planets, Handel's Messiah, or even some Gilbert and Sullivan, The Mikado...or HMS Pinafore...could do the trick...or failing that some OPERA...

 

[snowleopard]

Does this sort of thing go on else where, how about in your home marina or harbour, or is it confined to the South coast of England?

I think there is a 'look at me, I've sailed x miles, I'm a hero and need to get very drunk and make a lot of noise' element.

I haven't seen much of it elsewhere in the UK but at the end of the ARC it went on till at least 3am every night for a fortnight.

 

[csharpatsea]

The time is 00:48, we are in East Cowes Marina on B3. Opposite us on A3 and A4 a pontoon party is in an "Ongoing" state. There is music loud enough that it is preventing sleep and is disturbing our night. Lots of braying laughter and generally loutish behaviour.

It does not sound like an outrageous transgression of marina manners but I can understand how the incident would ratchet up indignation levels in the brain at such an hour.

I had a similar experience at East Cowes a couple of years ago but in that case it was a gaggle of early retirees singing Beattles songs to a strumming guitar on the aft deck of an enormous Fairline. The swmbo giggled and commented that it was nice to hear the old folks enjoying themselves, I fell asleep.

Had the party goers been friends I think you would have got to sleep, but once you take a dislike to the individuals the anger cycle kicks in.

 

[Ubergeekian]

So if you want to party after midnight you are a lout? Oh dear.

If you want to party noisily into the small hours with no regard to anyone else nearby then yes, "lout" seems a reasonable description.

The OP's attitude seems to be that twenty or thirty people should stop doing what they want to do because it upsets him. A little more tolerance/flexibility on the OP's part might be in order.

Presumably they were also disturbing anyone else nearby. But that aside, isn't the idea that thirty people have, by weight of numbers, the absolute right to keep other people up at one am the definition of loutishness. "There's lots of us, there's only two of you, we'll do what we please, sod off" is not exactly polite, is it?[/quote]

I doubt if the marina will be very sympathetic. They make will make more money from the three party boats, who will remember what a good time they had there and will come back. OP should go anchor up a deserted creek somewhere if he wants peace.

Nobody expects a marina to be as quiet as an isolated anchorage. Loud partying after midnight, however, is taking the piss.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

It's a rare occasion at the Firth of Clyde hot spots but it does happen. For those who would want to turn or even just threaten their frustration / anger into verbal or physical violence you might find you end up on a charge.

My Father In Law, who is a respected member of the community was arrested for insisting that his tenants turn down loud music from their car speakers in the drive way, mid afternoon. Later that night the tenants had the police up who came by the next day and charged my father in law with breach of the peace. There was no violence or physical interaction, just raised voices with the dull boyfriend and his ugly girl friend was the independent witness. Scots law.

So, attempting to convince your neighbours for peace and quite when they are going about their leisure pursuits, albeit loudly but legally could have you on a charge.

 

[timbartlett]

No...that's not the way to go about it.

It would be far better to try to educate them a bit by playing them some classical music very loud.

I have some works in mind...the 1812 Overture, The Planets, Handel's Messiah, or even some Gilbert and Sullivan, The Mikado...or HMS Pinafore...could do the trick...or failing that some OPERA...

I've found that The Queen of the Night's aria from the Magic Flute works wonders.

 

[l'escargot]

...Being ex military I sometimes respond in a different manner so they know where I am coming from.

Peter

Which would you have done, given them an order or shot them?

 

[sarabande]

perhaps one should carry a small folding canoe and undertake a nocturnal expedition to attach a dumpy bag to their rudder pintles, or a cork to the heads outlet.

 

[Robin]

I think it is a sad sign of the times that common courtesy manners and consideration for others is vanishing, as seen by some of the replies on here and that is sad.

I have no argument with people enjoying themselves at all but after midnight it used to be common courtesy to move things below decks and turn the sound down. Why is it that some people think the whole world needs to know that they are having a great time? The reality is that the whole world now knows what an ignorant bunch of tossers they are, nothing less.

Years ago when I worked for a big company, I was roped in to skipper boats chartered by their sailing club. One of the first jobs was to tell them the common etiquette things like not clumping across decks twanging and kicking everything in sight and to keep it quiet and my rule with them was that after 11pm then it is time to go below. Nobody had any issues with that at all, if anything the reverse because they looked like they 'belonged' rather than were inexperienced idiots.

Trouble is you cannot reason with drunks. Somebody on those boats had to be in charge and those are the ones to blame.

 

[pikeyrm]

this is the reason that i only go in East Cowes Marina on the weekend when i am in the party mood (i have found many of times this marina to be noisy). i am not saying what they was like is good, i do believe they are very rude and inconsiderate, this is why i enjoy alot of other harbours in and around the solent i would advise visiting other marina's.

 

[Simes]

This from Webcraft;

"The OP's attitude seems to be that twenty or thirty people should stop doing what they want to do because it upsets him. A little more tolerance/flexibility on the OP's part might be in order.

I doubt if the marina will be very sympathetic. They make will make more money from the three party boats, who will remember what a good time they had there and will come back. OP should go anchor up a deserted creek somewhere if he wants peace."

As the OP I would like to point out that I was polite and did not raise my voice (although I did bang on their deck in an attempt to gain their attention, didn't work) They were not upsetting me, just preventing my sleeping. Like many, but not all, others I feel that midnight is too much. They did eventually call it quits around 02:30

I felt that tolerance and flexibility applied to all, not just to the minority in this country.

If I am to labelled as one of whom "A little more tolerance/flexibility on the OP's part might be in order." Then I fear that we are all in trouble.

Have fun

Simes