Anti Road pricing petition

You have to remember that in the UK you pay almost no taxes on incometax on sales!How can the cash straped government pay for social services if it has to provide roads rail and other services that arnt nesassary?

The UK live is a tax almost free paradise just as dose Sweden!Ask the Danes!!They told me Sweden was a tax haven.

I heard that lots of other things such as refugee (a groth industary that vote blair?) will be sold off an quoted on the stock exchange also the power and prisons are to be privitised,

I heard the Mafia was interested in investing in cerain sectors as the UK pays so littel taxes its also proposed to privatise the pensions and health service no pay no service!

Oh Both Blair and Brown want to be world heros to be part of history as only bill gate and egoists Blair brown will give the UK away just for publisity hes seen as a fool in Europe but what does he care

France and Italy nor Spain or Portugal tax their products!French wine is really very good!!!And afordable
 
trouville I have read your post twice now andI'm still not quite sure what your rambling on about????

re the petition .Good idea Lets not give up a bit more freedom without a fight.no doubt they will introduce it at such a low cost that noone will object too much.Once established they will wind up the cost at a rapid rate. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
Graham, his english is not very good, but he is clearly taking the piss! Bless him..... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Why? apparently the majority of the electorate voted in this shower of tw@ts, and not for the first time, so it follows the majority must be in favour of such policies. And I am sure that there will soon follow a torrent of abuse about posting such topics on this forum which I think I must agree with - so why am I responding to it? Nurse!!!
 
Banging our heads against a wall again aren't we?

If transport costs are going up, that will mean that everything transported by road is going to go up.

Are our leaders going to leave a complete foul up for the next Government to fix?

Scary times! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

I don't know how true this is but I heard somewhere that 98.5% of the worlds population lives on 17% of the worlds surface! The rest is water!!!!!!

Where shall we go too next then?

AJ /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
Why don't we suggest that they tax us for every mile we motor? It could be at a really high rate to offset derogation on red diesel. We'd all like to pay our fair share wouldn't we? They need our money - it's our duty - England expects......
 
I would expect that from one bilbobaggins /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif!!!!!! (Sorry Bill /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

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Not completely anti on this one, and I think a bit more debate is needed. I would be all in favour of shifting the burden away from Vehicle excise duty, fuel tax and income tax and onto a system of pricing according to demand and need. Problem is that governments seem better at creating new taxes than they are at scrapping or reducing existing ones!
 
Entirely agree. Excise duty is fundamentally illogical: a tax for owning a vehicle regardless of whether or not it ever turns a wheel. Cars parked at home cause neither pollution nor congestion, so why tax them as if they do? There is also an argument that, given the embodied energy put into a car in its construction, it makes sense to maximise its working life. Older cars can be kept going for a good few years more once they get less reliable if there is a spare car available to e.g. collect bits for the broken down one, but the current rules penalise ownership of spare vehicles. Daft.
 
Luckily this is a local government issue that only affects Engerland - transport is a devolved item that the Scots and presumably the Welsh and the Northern Irish (if they get Stormont running) can decide on - and with the Scottish elections in May, no-one is going to raise the subject here. Luckily there is a ferry from Rosyth to Zeebruge so we can bypass the English roads to reach the other parts of the civilised world.

So where is the petition in favour?
 
I agree - scrap the Road Fund License and tax use - but surely, rather than rely on complicated electronics in every car (which someone will manage to overide of course), why not simply put the extra tax on fuel. If you do more miles, you buy more fuel and you pays more tax - what could be simpler than that??
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I agree - scrap the Road Fund License and tax use - but surely, rather than rely on complicated electronics in every car (which someone will manage to overide of course), why not simply put the extra tax on fuel. If you do more miles, you buy more fuel and you pays more tax - what could be simpler than that??
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[/ QUOTE ]Quite so, but aren't we paying the highest road fuel prices in the world already?
 
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Luckily this is a local government issue that only affects Engerland - transport is a devolved item that the Scots and presumably the Welsh and the Northern Irish (if they get Stormont running) can decide on

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Vehicle excise duty and duties on fuels are all reserved matters, so if there is to be a fundamental shift on the way roads and vehicle use are priced it needs to be done at the level of the parliament of the UK. (at the moment).
 
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I agree - scrap the Road Fund License and tax use - but surely, rather than rely on complicated electronics in every car (which someone will manage to overide of course), why not simply put the extra tax on fuel. If you do more miles, you buy more fuel and you pays more tax - what could be simpler than that??
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The Road Fund was abolished by an act of Parliament in 1936. For the last 80 years there has been no link at all between what is now called "Vehicle Excise Duty" and road expenditure; VED goes to the treasury and gets mixed in with all the other taxes to be spent on whatever.

There is a social reason not to simply lump all the tax on fuel: a disproportionate amount of revenue would be raised from rural areas where car use is often nearer to being essential than urban areas where there tend to be more realistic alternative means of transport available: walking/ cycling for the shorter distances and public transport for the longer distances.
 
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