Another spinnaker question

[Fergus]

I always fly the kite without guys - never really understood the need for them and the sail seems fine without. Heresy perhaps but works for me! Comments?

 

[sailorman]

I always fly the kite without guys - never really understood the need for them and the sail seems fine without. Heresy perhaps but works for me! Comments?

Guy on the pole with a "Lazy" sheet allows for easier gybing particularly on larger boats

 

[Fergus]

to gybe I have to snuff it as the pole won't pass between the mast and the forestay and the pole is not double-ended

 

[prv]

to gybe I have to snuff it as the pole won't pass between the mast and the forestay and the pole is not double-ended

Is the mast end fixed, then, rather than on a track? On the Army boats out of Kiel we would scoot the inboard end up the mast to dip the outboard end past the forestay.

Pete

 

[michael_w]

Dip pole gybe much easier with separate sheets and guys.

 

[Keen_Ed]

to gybe I have to snuff it as the pole won't pass between the mast and the forestay and the pole is not double-ended

As the man says, a single ended pole implies dip gybes - invented by the crew of Vim in the late fifties.

It's crew intensive: bowman to drop the new guy into the jaws.
Mastman to hoist inner end of pole up the mast
Trimmer to trim kite
Grinder/trimmer to take slack out of new guy
Main trimmer to gybe mainsail.
Helmsman

 

[Neil_Y]

The loads on the guy are much higher than the sheet (when tight reaching) and hence they are usually thicker/stronger rope.

 

[prv]

The loads on the guy are much higher than the sheet (when tight reaching) and hence they are usually thicker/stronger rope.

On the boats I sailed on they also ran to a different place, more or less midships vs the quarter for the sheets.

Pete

 

[Fergus]

pole's too long to dip even though it's on a track - would have to remove inner forestay

 

[michael_w]

pole's too long to dip even though it's on a track - would have to remove inner forestay

Ooh! Penalty pole. Great for close reaching.

 

[bbg]

Ooh! Penalty pole. Great for close reaching.

Note he said inner forestay. May not be a penalty pole.

 

[sailorman]

pole's too long to dip even though it's on a track - would have to remove inner forestay

my inner (Baby stay) has quick snap sgackle & whittard wheel adjuster

 

[sailorman]

On the boats I sailed on they also ran to a different place, more or less midships vs the quarter for the sheets.

Pete

Guy to max beam on a snatch block

 

[Fantasie 19]

I always fly the kite without guys - never really understood the need for them

If the ladies don't mind - why not....

 

[Keen_Ed]

pole's too long to dip even though it's on a track - would have to remove inner forestay

Double pole gybes. Very old school.

 

[Woodlouse]

On the boats I sailed on they also ran to a different place, more or less midships vs the quarter for the sheets.

Pete

Guy to max beam on a snatch block

Indeed. So as to allow the pole as far forward as possible with minimum force on the guard rails and shrouds. If the guy was lead to a block aft it would have a much poorer lead and wrap around half the outside of the boat.

 

[BlueSkyNick]

As somebody else says, the guys come down to a different place on the toe-rail, so different angle of force on the sail.

I dont think this such an issue if you are using a pole down-haul, but stand to be corrected (as ever!)