ANOTHER MAJOR KEEL FAILURE: What Really Happened to Polina Star III?

Richard Shead said:
Whilst it's newsworthy it's more YW territory than YM given the size of the boat. Hence YW covering it and YM not. But I am not the Editor so cannot answer on his behalf.
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OK, but it's a sailing yacht made out of the same materials as most modern boats, and either it's keel fell off or it broke apart for reasons unknown. I think it is newsworthy to all of us, and disappointing (and possibly even suspicious) that there has been so little publicity in the yachting press.
 
OR4751 said:
Sounds more like something IPC should try. The mags might then be worth buying.
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It might be a bit up to date for them though, the print cycle is currently using the "winterising tips" articles from the 2012 mags, next year it'll be time to recycle 2013 yawn. Why do I subscribe? I guess I'm forgetful and I like that they remind me of what I read a couple of years ago :D:D:D
 
Like I say I am not the editor. What I have done so far is report the FACTS especially with the somewhat boring and repetitive (baseless ) comments re upsetting advertisers ... Perhaps they are waiting to establish the facts as well.

Why don't you write to both editors and ask them ? Or post in the YW section ?

An email to the editor is probably more affective than moaning on here ....
 
Richard Shead said:
Whilst it's newsworthy it's more YW territory than YM given the size of the boat. Hence YW covering it and YM not. But I am not the Editor so cannot answer on his behalf.
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Well YM has a boat test of Discovery 55 this month - and not sure if they carried the two recent Oyster tests also.

Can't see how YM would not cover a news item on a cruising yacht having the most spectacular structural failure, seems odd omission
 
Richard Shead said:
Like I say I am not the editor. What I have done so far is report the FACTS especially with the somewhat boring and repetitive (baseless ) comments re upsetting advertisers ... Perhaps they are waiting to establish the facts as well.

Why don't you write to both editors and ask them ? Or post in the YW section ?

An email to the editor is probably more affective than moaning on here ....
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1. Surprised to learn that the editors don't check on here to learn what lives in the yottie community. Maybe you could/should nudge them out of their ivory tower.

2. What would be the point? Because apart from the TC/DD/LP columns, what original content does YM really offer?

What the average YM looks like:
- 40% adverts
- 20% copy paste RNLI/BMF/RYA/'friendly' manufacturers/marina operators press releases.
The remaining 40% is made up of:
- review of the latest BenJenBav offerings
- used boat review - almost always something a 'friendly' broker has on his books
- chartering opportunities - in cooperation with Sunsail or The Moorings.
- the annual, seasonal and recycled laying up/launching tips
- throw in another marina 'close up' and you've got a wrap. Often you don't even have to travel there. Last time DD did an Ostend write up the pictures that went along with the article were years out of date and he conducted an interview with an HM by phone.
 
They do indeed. As well as Twitter, Facebook , emails etc they can't answer it all ! But like I say email the editor And ask him !

Anyhow the last from me as I am leaving Time Inc on the 8th Jan.

So a quick thank you from me for contributions over the years no matter what the content is/ was !

Have a good weekend all.
 
It's both arrogant and short sighted to ignore customer feedback.

One could come up with a really good, relevant, helpful and interesting magazine just by the comments on these forums; but that would mean instituting change, and thinking one will stay in the job more than a year or two - both rare and brave ideas nowadays.

It would be interesting to know how many of the members on these forums - 99% boat owners - actually buy the paper magazines, I would guess the percentage is very low.

I freely admit I don't buy the mags any more, totally disillusioned - I used to buy PBO, Yachting Monthly & Sailing Today every month, for a while had subsriptions to all.

I was at the dentists last week and there was a newish YM with an article about ' how a bloke bought the last Westerly ever built ' - it mentioned Boy's Own stuff and seemed very promising, but to me just ended up with a very dull ' fairly nice boat, cost a bit more to finish it '.

Someone needs dynamite under their chair and some imagination, no wonder sailing as a sport has fallen off if people pick up a magazine like this as a guide.
 
Who says we ignore customer feedback ? Just because you don't see evidence on these forums does not mean it does not happen ...

One thing before I go ... How long have you been sailing and what more could there be to teach / inform you ?

Right that really is it from me.

Trust me the ed team will be looking at these and will comment if they feel appropriate. But if you do not see it here don't assume it has not happened ...

Cheers
 
Richard Shead said:
Who says we ignore customer feedback ? Just because you don't see evidence on these forums does not mean it does not happen ...

One thing before I go ... How long have you been sailing and what more could there be to teach / inform you ?

Right that really is it from me.

Trust me the ed team will be looking at these and will comment if they feel appropriate. But if you do not see it here don't assume it has not happened ...

Cheers
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Yes, but if the evidence is not in the forum, and not in the mags, eh where is it?
 
Well I subscribe to both YM and YW and enjoy both though admittedly a little amnesia does come in handy from time to time. I'm sure there are newer readers to whom laying up tips is new ground. I think IPC staff are endlessly patient with some of the moaning on here and would like to wish Richard good luck in his new role whatever that may be.
More on topic I suspect that my Jeanneau benefits from spreading engineering analysis and expertise over many hulls (even at the larger end). That said I helped with commissioning and delivering a pal's Oyster 575 and both the boat and Oyster were terrific. I'd love one but not ever sure I could justify the many multiple extra cost.
 
Richard Shead said:
Who says we ignore customer feedback ? Just because you don't see evidence on these forums does not mean it does not happen ...

One thing before I go ... How long have you been sailing and what more could there be to teach / inform you ?

Right that really is it from me.

Trust me the ed team will be looking at these and will comment if they feel appropriate. But if you do not see it here don't assume it has not happened ...

Cheers
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Richard,

you seemed to ask me a question then said ' that's it, I'm off ! ' so not sure if my reply will fall on stony ground...

Sailed dinghies since age 8 1970 - as skipper after reading books inc Swallows & Amazons whole series.

Instructor on dinghies for BAe social club.

Owned various fast dinghies.

Owned Anderson 22 since 1978

Also had Carter 30 1986-90

Sailed every boat I can ever get my hands on inc traditional, Falmouth Working Boats to a go on TS Royalist

What I would like to see in a magazine is much more ' what it's like to sail ' articles with DETAIL; just as pilots want to hear about flying Concorde & Harriers, I want to know the nitty gritty about handling particular boats at close quarters, not just tooling around in open waters.

Would also like to see features on the lovely smaller boats still being produced in the UK such as the Salcombe Yawls.

Also the various traditional One Designs around the British coastline from Brightlingsea One Designs to the Dysart jobs and everything in between up & down east & west coasts as well as south.

Well you did ask !

Andy
 
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