Bobc
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ANOTHER MAJOR KEEL FAILURE: What Really Happened to Polina Star III?
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Bobc
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Layup looks dry to me. In some photos you can see the layers that have come apart, which suggests that they weren't wet-bonded properly. That would make the laminate very weak as each layer moves between tension and compression.
Sometimes it's not about how much chopstrand and gob you throw at it, but about how well you consolidate the layup.
Sometimes it's not about how much chopstrand and gob you throw at it, but about how well you consolidate the layup.
Seajet
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Bobc,
one can only agree, this has been mentioned a lot in the other thread.
I don't think it's the only problem though; 15mm hull, wiring laid without conduits; also simple ballast added forward to compensate for the RIB garage at the back - I don't think that ballast caused the hull failure but all these things are symptoms of a careless attitude.
one can only agree, this has been mentioned a lot in the other thread.
I don't think it's the only problem though; 15mm hull, wiring laid without conduits; also simple ballast added forward to compensate for the RIB garage at the back - I don't think that ballast caused the hull failure but all these things are symptoms of a careless attitude.
Bobc
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Sounds like a bit of a Friday boat
30boat
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I think the wiring was laid in conduits.The underside was the bottom laminate and it fell off....
prv
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30boat
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It has bolts.
dunedin
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It still has bolts ....... still neatly attached to the keel (though reported one longer one missing?).
Slight problem that the bit of keel stub / hull attached by the bolts isn't still attached to the rest of the hull
Seajet
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Some people just always find something to moan about...
30boat
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dunedin;5534258 Slight problem that the bit of keel stub / hull attached by the bolts isn't still attached to the rest of the hull[/QUOTE said:
Ric
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I wonder whether Oyster will survive the fall out from this.
sailorman
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Yes they will, what makes you believe otherwise
Ric
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What makes you so certain they will? Do you have inner knowledge of their finances?
Anybody considering the purchase of an Oyster will be asking a lot of questions not only about build quality, but also about future resale value of their boat and stability of the yard. Oyster will undoubtedly be very damaged by this.
Anybody considering the purchase of an Oyster will be asking a lot of questions not only about build quality, but also about future resale value of their boat and stability of the yard. Oyster will undoubtedly be very damaged by this.
bedouin
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Of course they will.
A single incident of this type won't damage the brand significantly - if the problem were endemic then there would be further examples.
I would still rather sail an Oyster than a Bavaria, Beneteau or the like.
Koeketiene
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Lozzer
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Anybody spending the sort of money to buy a large Oyster already asks those questions and if they don't have the knowledge to ask then they employ someone to do it for them. Also people buying this sort of product are not looking at the residual value before they buy. They are looking at the enjoyment they can get from the yacht.
There seems to be a lot of negativity towards Oyster on this forum. Posters are quick to find fault in products that they know little about. How many of the vociferous members here have actually been into the Oyster factory and got right into a yacht in build? Having spent much time on the build of my bosses new 745 I am very impressed with what Oyster are doing. We have a build surveyor who attends site regularly to check on processes and quality control and he reports that the yacht is being built to a very high standard.
So will Oyster survive YES. Will they feel pain from this episode YES. But first let us wait for the official report before we pass judgement based on photographic evidence.
prv
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I'd have thought that JFM over in the Mobo forum was a good example of someone who buys brand-new semi-custom high-value boats, albeit in his case motor rather than sail. I know he considers future resale very seriously in his decisions.
But will there be an official report? Published by who? Oyster seem to want to keep it quiet, and if they can persuade/bribe the owner to do the same then I don't see why anything would be published.
Pete
NormanS
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And the longer it is before someone comes clean with what actually went wrong, the more damage is done to Oyster's reputation. At present I wouldn't touch one (or a VW car, for much the same reason).
Lozzer
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Pete
I know JFM, met him a few times. I wouldn't want to put words in his mouth but I am sure he is more interested in the pleasure he gets from his yacht than the residual value. If you can show me one person that can realistically predict the residual value of a two year old yacht I will be stunned. After all the recent demise of Fairline shows us that residual values are way beyond anyones control.
I do believe that Polina Star III was UK registered (Marine Traffic) therefore I assume there will be a MAIB report which is published. I cannot comprehend why people of this forum cannot accept Oysters need to remain silent. If you crash your car your insurance company tells you never to accept liability. Therefore perhaps they are being influenced from outside plus they need to investigate the issues.
The owner has already gone public on this matter so cant see Oyster trying to "bribe" him using your words.... Plus that is illegal in the UK isn't it?
Tranona
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Think you will find it is registered in Guernsey. No reason why there should be an MAIB report as it was a private boat, no other boat was involved and there were no deaths. MAIB does not have to investigate such incidents, although it may do if there is a public interest.
So, this will be settled by negotiation between Oyster, the insurers and the owner. Unless it comes to court, doubt any of the details will ever come into the public domain - at least not "officially". What is likely to trigger a court case is if the insurers refuse to pay because they conclude the boat was faulty and therefore not covered by their insurance. It will then be open to the owner to sue Oyster, which could be on a number of grounds, but particularly either that the boat's design was inadequate, or that it was not built according to the spec in the contract.
Doubt any of the parties would want to air their differences in public, incur legal costs nor lose the huge sum of money involved if they can avoid it, so a negotiated settlement with confidentiality agreements is the likely outcome.
You might ask your boss how he would handle the situation if a similar thing happened to his new boat! - not that it is likely to.