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I have never had need to show my long held ICC but did renew it when due over the years I just noticed it covers me sail or power but up to 10m.

Now my last 3 boats have all been over 10m, up to 14m, as is my next likely purchase also expected to be around 14m

Can the size on an ICC be updated without additional testing? I may also need to add the CEVNI extension, but this can be done by online exam I think.

Not sure if I can be bothered if it cannot be done, but would nevertheless like to know.
 
Not a clue how to answer your question. So first reply is thread drift:)
Why does it matter? Other than it being annoying.
The good old USA couldn't care less about some European certificate even if its is a UN resolution. If you own a boat in UK its not required. If you cross the channel still not required. Unless you go inland. In which case you need the CENV1.
Possibly the difference is in the kind of boat you took your test or day skipper in. I was quite surprised to find out there are separate YMs for power and sail.
So an RYA powerboat course might eliminate the 10m restriction or a ICC test in your 14m power boat.
 
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Robin said:
I have never had need to show my long held ICC but did renew it when due over the years I just noticed it covers me sail or power but up to 10m.
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I don't have an ICC but there have been many threads on here about it over the years and I can't remember that restriction ever being mentioned before in relation to sailing boats. :confused:

Did you take take the ICC test on a small powerboat and this is perhaps a powerboat licence which extends to smaller sailing boats?

Richard
 
Mine is the same as Robin's. Did Day Skipper (sail). Then sent a copy of that certificate along with my ICC application form to the RYA and what came back is:

Sail: Yes
Motor: Up to 10m
Inland: No
Coastal: Yes

So I think it is the standard box ticking you get if applying for the ICC off the back of having done Day Skipper (sail).
 
We sailed 2,500nms while chartering two or three times a year for 20 years and over 10,000nms when long distance sailing and all we had was a dinghy certificate which we got when we when we went to a Sunsail club in Greece with my son. If fact we were both thrown off the course because we were too experienced but got the dinghy certificate anyway, we won the yacht race. We never got asked for sailing qualifications anywhere.
 
Uricanejack: you may recall from other threads that Robin's in the process of moving back to Europe. Presumably that's what caused his renewed interest in his ICC.

Other than being CEVNI-endorsed, my ICC is the same as Angele's: power up to 10m, sail no specified limit (although presumably below 24m or whatever it is).
 
Angele said:
Mine is the same as Robin's. Did Day Skipper (sail). Then sent a copy of that certificate along with my ICC application form to the RYA and what came back is:

Sail: Yes
Motor: Up to 10m
Inland: No
Coastal: Yes

So I think it is the standard box ticking you get if applying for the ICC off the back of having done Day Skipper (sail).
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Ah..... so Robin is probably misreading his ICC and the 10m limit only applies to power boating?

That sounds like a runner. :)

Richard
 
There must be some difference, my ICC is for power and sail up to 24 meters, and also jetski type stuff uo to 10 meters. will check exactly the wording later.
 
Davy_S said:
There must be some difference, my ICC is for power and sail up to 24 meters, and also jetski type stuff uo to 10 meters. will check exactly the wording later.
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It's clear from the ICC renewal application form that sail is covered solely in the box "sail (including auxilliary engines)" with no specified size. Power is covered in two boxes, up to and over 10m. There's yet another box for "personal watercraft".

Robin's covers him for sail (up to 24m).
 
My ICC with CEVNI is unlimited sail but restricted to 10m power and to extend power I'm told by RYA I would have to do another course despite having had a YM commercially endorsed for up to 200 GRT. Strikes me it's just another money grabbing exercise.
 
macd said:
It's clear from the ICC renewal application form that sail is covered solely in the box "sail (including auxilliary engines)" with no specified size. Power is covered in two boxes, up to and over 10m. There's yet another box for "personal watercraft".

Robin's covers him for sail (up to 24m).
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I have just checked the wording on mine.
Coastal--Yes
inland --No
Sail.--Yes
Power--Yes
personal watercraft.-- Yes
I don't know where i got the 24 meters from, it was in my head from something:rolleyes:
 
Davy_S said:
I have just checked the wording on mine.
Coastal--Yes
inland --No
Sail.--Yes
Power--Yes
personal watercraft.-- Yes
I don't know where i got the 24 meters from, it was in my head from something:rolleyes:
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Mine's almost the same (no length restrictions) but not Personal Watercraft. Aside from how you define one and that I have no intention of using a jetski-type thing - any idea why you're competent on one and I'm not?
 
anoccasionalyachtsman said:
Mine's almost the same (no length restrictions) but not Personal Watercraft. Aside from how you define one and that I have no intention of using a jetski-type thing - any idea why you're competent on one and I'm not?
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I suspect the personal watercraft endorsement is quite a recent addition since, given the glacial way regulations usually respond, they're relatively new. They're certainly on the application form I mentioned, which I'd downloaded a couple of years ago when my ICC was up for renewal. I don't remember any such category on its predecessor, although that could be just lousy memory. (Of course a British court controversially ruled not long ago that they're not craft (or ships or whatever), anyway, so their need for a licence may be a bit grey.
 
anoccasionalyachtsman said:
Mine's almost the same (no length restrictions) but not Personal Watercraft. Aside from how you define one and that I have no intention of using a jetski-type thing - any idea why you're competent on one and I'm not?
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Possibly because I hold a Powerboat level 2, plus a nabac certificate. that is the only thing i can think of, have a look at the link Duncan posted.
 
My ICC goes back to 1970's and predates the proliferation of exam grades. I've asked the RYA and they are looking into it. No intention of faffing about, it is either worth it and the RYA sub or not, either will do. Maybe I should just put a small steadying sail on the new boat and call it 'sail'.;)
 
Robin said:
My ICC goes back to 1970's and predates the proliferation of exam grades. I've asked the RYA and they are looking into it. No intention of faffing about, it is either worth it and the RYA sub or not, either will do. Maybe I should just put a small steadying sail on the new boat and call it 'sail'.;)
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OOps, what a dumbo. I was reading another ICC thread and jumped to a wrong conclusion. I checked the online application for renewal form rather than my ICC itself which was filed safely away. Just dug out the cert itself and it has no restrictions listed for power or sail, so if anyone wants a superyacht moved I'm your man.:encouragement:
 
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