Another fine GB Plan for sailors (Discuss!)

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From Evening Standard (I'm only the messenger)

Travellers face price hikes and confusion after the Government unveiled plans to take up to <span style="color:red">53 pieces </span> of information from anyone entering or leaving Britain.

For every journey, security officials will want credit card details, holiday contact numbers, travel plans, email addresses, car numbers and even any previous missed flights. The information..... will be shared among police, customs, immigration and the security services.... Critics warned of mayhem at ports and airports when the system is introduced, beginning in earnest from mid-2009.

By 2014 every one of the predicted 305million passenger journeys in and out of the UK will be logged, with details stored about the passenger on every trip.

The scheme will <span style="color:red"> apply to every way of leaving the country, </span> whether by ferry, plane, or small aircraft. It would apply to a family having a day out in France by Eurotunnel, and <span style="color:red"> even to a yachtsman leaving British waters during the day and returning to shore </span>
 
security officials will want

credit card details - Nope , don't do credit
holiday contact numbers - Of who ? If I'm leaving the country it's with my nearest and dearest so nobody else to call
travel plans - What's a plan ? I have aims and wishes but rarely plans
email addresses - Available on t'internet , ask the spammers for them
car numbers - In a boat ? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
even any previous missed flights - Only flights of fancy /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Lets just assume for one minute that this plan comes into operation and after a few years us minions are allowed to apply for a special bit of paper that will "speed up" the process at our port of departure/entry!

Doesn't that sound a bit like a travel permit as used by the Soviets and Chinese, i.e. nobody travels any distance without a permit?

Will somebody please tell me how I can stop this headlong dive into H.G.Wells country?


Peter.
 
chatter chatter, nicht nicht nicht, the government should stop immigration Britain is full, why are they doing nothing to stop illegals overstaying their welcome, nicht nicht

Oh god they are going to tighten up the entry ports, oh my heavens I didn't mean that!

Damned if they do damned if they don't.

What is your plan then, ask them a single question, are you planning to stay illegally, that should catch er, well, none of them eh?
 
This is worse than '1984'... This wretched government want total control. Another half baked scheme like the Big Brother ID cards from 'Tone' (when he was PM). Control control control. This government cannot resist trying to rule our lives... It will turn into another half baked expensive plan that doesn't work.

Dreadful...
 
I was just thinking of places like Chichester or the Hamble on a Bank holiday saturday:

How many staff will be needed to check and question every boat coming in?

Another example of the flood of 'Brown stuff' emanating from No 10 these days.
 
... and then they'll require us to fit little black boxes which will track our every movement and calculate the distance travelled and time of day and we'll have .......sea pricing! Areas of high congestion on weekends will pay the most. Sorry S.coast sailors
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John
 
..and in the light of 9/11 and flying schools, no doubt all RYA accredited training centres have been asked to report suspicious characters wanting to take their Day Skipper (especially devout Muslims in robes and beard, but anyone refusing a Malt Scotch, really), and charter companies are applying security checks to prevent their Baverias being hired to Islamic Suicide Sailors - although I'm not sure that the new Type 45s that are surely on full alert will be able to 'lock on' to targets moving as slowly as 5kts.

Solent hairdressing salons will also be on full alert for anyone attempting to buy Peroxide hair bleach, so I suspect the upper lips of dentist's wives on the South coast may appear slightly darker this year. And as for chapatti flour, forget it.

Police marksmen have been issued with dum-dum rounds and, under the Operation Kratos rules of engagement, will head-shoot suspicious raggies who 'look a bit dark', so Solent tanning salons will be a no-no for the blokes this year. It will also be a lot harder to get an electrician to visit your yacht.

Armed boardings of suspicious AWBs will increase, and hlb expects sales of his new formulation to remove black combat-boot streaks from GRP to increase substantially.

Taking photographs of boats, marina installations etc. will be banned on security grounds, and any raggie in possession of boaty pictures will be charged under s.58 of the Terrorism Act with 'Possessing information likely to be useful to a person preparing an act of terrorism' - which carries a ten year sentence. Lakey sells up and moves to France.

In 2014 the PM announces that these measures have clearly been successful, as not one terrorist yacht attack has been made on the UK's vital infrastructure.
 
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What is your plan then, ask them a single question, are you planning to stay illegally, that should catch er, well, none of them eh?

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Do you think terrorists will answer questions honestly? No THEY would have a rehearsed and accurate script, it will be the casual traveller that gets frogmarched off for a strip search.

Try applying for a USA visa or filling in a Visa waiver form. They have had seriously stupid questions for years, was your grandmother ever a communist, did your grandfather ever lust after one, that sort of thing.

The Israelis know better how to screen travellers and they don't ask dumb questions that invite lies.

Not to forget either that so far our problems with Islamic terrorism have stemmed from INSIDE the UK, the bast&rds were home grown and didn't need to sneak in.

You know what shines out clearly from this (and the yanks are the same) - THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON! We are walking towards being scared of shadows and being totally controlled by our own governments.

And just on the identity theft risks, I'm not happy about handing over credit card information and other personal details to a government that has more leaks than a garden sieve.
 
Trouble is, after filling up the country in an entirely random way with other people for ten years, they now want me to carry a bit of paper to say who I am, so they can better 'control' the way the country is filling up. I know who I am. I don't need a piece of paper to say so and anyone who meets me wouldn't usually make a mistake about which COUNTY I'm from, leave alone which country. The last time I used Eurostar I showed my passport to no fewer than five frankly rude officials, meanwhile they tell us the country is full of illegals. Well, which five bored officials looked at their papers? And what was achieved by me endlessly showing mine? I'm afraid the purpose of modern government is to look like you're doing something while trousering perks, security and pensions the rest of us can only dream of. Don't buy into their lies.
 
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which will track our every movement

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We were seemingly tracked by the French Authorities on our recent holiday.

Firstly 10 miles north of Barfleur a helicopter came and sat REALLY close to the stern of the boat and side-slipped with us for at least 5 minutes.

When we arrived outside St Vaast we were boarded from a Customs launch by 3 officers who spent maybe 20 minutes on board. One looked at our chart whilst another radio'd our passport details to the launch. Seemed quite interested that we had been to Egypt.

When we got to Camaret the Maritime Police boarded us and took the same details.

Then in La Crouesty it was the Customs again and they got us again in Brest.

Finally we sailed from L'Aberwrach to The Needles ......perhaps 3 hours out of L'Aber (so still in French waters) we were buzzed by a large jet that circled us twice and flew so low, my wife could see the pilots face!

Bit wierd really as I have only ever been boarded once before in many years of sailing.

Osama /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
 
Most of these questions are already answered and in place if flying.

Just check out your booking details with an airline and you might be surprised how much info is already there in respect of those 53 questions.....So most will be in the puter when you check in ... just a count of bag and baggage /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Don t forget SWIMBO /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
chatter chatter, nicht nicht nicht, the government should stop immigration Britain is full, why are they doing nothing to stop illegals overstaying their welcome, nicht nicht
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I always hear about illegals but never a whisper about the DAILY plane loads of new spouses for most of the young people of Asian origin who are here already - this is all legit!!
All this unbelievable hastle because they can't be seen to be hasling the section of the population which produces the terrorists
 
Think we should all have RFID implants, that way all our movements could be plotted. If you haven't got one. Tazer you out of the country!!
 
Just a thought

It is far to easy for illegal immigrants to get into this country.

I enjoyed the cherbourg scuttlebutt trip but since then I have not checked my stern locker that holds an 8 man life raft.

If it is missing, when was it stolen? and if in Cherbourg what/who took its place on the return trip?

I'm checking it this weekend but realise I should have checked it before departing Cherbourg.

One thought more - if there is a person in there could they operate the catch from the inside and if they didn't and are still in there do I declare my stupidity or throw the body overboard in the Solent this weekend!!
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On a more serious note all the form filling in the world does not remove that risk and like H & S forms may divert attention away from where it is really needed.
 
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