another buying boat question- warrior 40?

[Carolwildbird]

I'm still looking for my perfect boat (first boat, liveaboard, long distance/blue water boat- have a plan with a friend of mine to go up to Norway and then down to do the ARC (maybe- or atlantic crossing with other like-minded people anyway, maybe RTW....).

Why is it, with hundreds of boats for sale, there seem to be very few that either match my requirements or that I fancy.. I seem to spend hours looking at boat specs and its driving me crazy...

Off to see a warrior 40 tomorrow. Any pros and cons?

 

[Abigail]

Hi Carol,

welcome to the hunt. We´ve seen a couple of warriors and they´re really nice solid boats, and they certainly do the distance. I have seen one single handed, but they´re pretty big for that. Otherwise v nice boats.

Good luck with the search.

 

[sarabande]

Welcome to ze Fro-hum ! Wot is stuffed with retiring conslutants.

Seriously, the Warrior...

An article in PBO about a year ago looked at a group of substantial cruisers. Worth checking their reprint section ?

They seem tough old boots from the ones that I have come across. I am sure it's not a case of Ship's Masters (Mistresses?) looking like their boats !

Good luck with the search.

 

[Carolwildbird]

Are you suggesting i look like a tough old boot..... (you may be right!)javascript:void(0)
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[sarabande]

Quite the contrary, young lady !

 

[Stevie_T]

Carol
We have a Warrior 38 and love it. The boat has sailed round the world though looked after very well and still in great condition. She sails well though not quite as well when close on the wind as others but the three quarter keel makes for a steady ride and doesn't load the autopilot or the windvane too much. In fact she is easy to trim to steer herself most of the time.
Ours had a failed epoxy hull, but this was because it had been done in Turkey and done badly, we ave since had her dried out and re-epoxied. The guy who did it said he had never seen a warrior with Osmosis.

Handling under power she is not too bad, reverses reasonably but awkward with a strong cross wind. High topsides so a bit of a step down to any pontoons.

Lovely down below particularly if you get the one with the large owners cabin, has a seperate shower cubicle. (one of her finer points imo) .
One reason we bought her was because the arrangements down below seemed such a good use of the available space.

Quarter berths are rather small, the port one doubles up as a chart room as well and not much locker space here. Starboard is a nice coffin berth for at sea.

Big lazzerette but not much locker space in cockpit but we seem to manage.

Difference between the 38 and the 40 apart from 2 feet?
Not a lot to be honest, the aft cabins are probably a bit bigger but on my short visit on one I couldn't see a lot of difference.

If I can help in any way please do PM me, though we are off out to her on Saturday for 6 or 7 weeks in Greece.

Good Luck

Steve

 

[TigaWave]

I had a Rival buying plan for years after sailing a few and living on a friends in Greece in my 20's. Or maybe a Nich 38 or something similar.

After much looking I didn't see what I wanted....and then on a whim, suggested by a broker I looked at a Bavaria 390 from 91.

I bought her and sailed over 10,000 miles in the first year, I can honestly say I have only good things to say about the way she sailed, motored and made a very comfortable sea boat and home.

So it might be worth just looking at some boats that aren't on your wish list. The Bav was not on my list to consider but turned out to be one of the best boats I've sailed for all round sailing and living aboard.

Good luck, I hope you find a boat that suits you and what you have planned.

 

[Nig]

We bought a Warrior 40 from new 12 years ago and have been delighted with her. Before we ordered we spoke to as many Warrior owners as we could. No one had anything but praise for them. Integral keel, flush deck, cutter rig, well supported rudder, longish keel, strong build and rig, well protected aft cockpit,excellent internal layout... if these things are important to you go and buy one. Good luck.

 

[lille_bee]

Have a look at Pernoll's homepage: http://home.online.no/~pernoll
I'm sure they'd be more than happy to answer any questions you might have!

 

[Jonny_H]

Welcome to the forum!

Ahh - the search! It took us 6 months of continuous looking to find the right boat for us. We had a simalar list of requirements to you (long distance sailing - we're heading for Oz, handled by two people, comfortable, good accomodation, heavy displacement, well behaved in heavy weather etc etc) - we discarded many boats along the way some due to construction (we liked the Dehler 37 Cruising - but too lightweight for what we wanted we eventually decided after a test sail) and some due to layout (Moody 346 and 376 both discarded as the layout just wasn't right for somewhere we wanted to spend long periods of time).

We looked at the Warrior - but only the 35 was within our price range (we later saw a 38 within budget but it was overseas). The 40 was over our budget but looked like a nice boat. We ended up with a Colvic Countess 37 in the end - so far we've not done loads in her, we took ownership just before xmas and lanuched her in March when we delivered her from the Hamble to Fleetwood where she is based for the next 12 months until we head off. We are leaving tomorrow for 5 weeks cruising around Wales / Ireland / Scotland and really looking forward to it.

Have a look at our website as it details some of the thoughts we had when choosing our 'ideal' boat. Obviously I'm biased, but the Countess may be worth a look?

Happy hunting!

Jonny

p.s. If you haven't found anything by early September I can recommend a trip to Southampton - do the boat show on one day and on the other day do the used boat shows (Hamble Point, Port Hamble, Swanick, Lymington etc) a great way to see lots of boats in a short space of time.

 

[Carolwildbird]

Thanks all for your comments

No I'm not limiting myself too much- but when it comes to the high volume manufacturers I clearly need to know more about which models would be good ocean boats. I'd discounted bavarias sort of out of hand- but having just looked at the 390 specs then maybe I should think again. The newer ones seem to be cheaper .. not CatA types?

My focus at the moment tends to focus on rival, rustler, bowman, vancouver, warrior, HR, Najad, Malo, nauticat....

Any suggestions for any other specific models in manufacturers i have discounted so far? (ben/jen/moody/dehler/dufour bavaria....)

Can't make the boat show- sailing round Uk/ireland in a HR 49!

Carol

 

[mocruising]

You have already mentioned most of the popular cruising boats. Don't discount Moody's there are many people out there cruising in older Moodys. We used to have a Warrior but changed it for a HR as we needed more space and performance. At the end of the day it usually boils down to budget.

 

[Jonny_H]

Fully agree - Moody's are very capable and many people sail them long distance and live aboard. I would certainly add them to your list with Najad's, HR's, Rival's etc and not to the discounted list with Jen, Ben, Bav's.

CatA boats vary greatly! Bit like saying you want a car with 4 or 5 star safety rating - this includes the Renault Clio and a Jaguar X Type (for instance) - both safe cars but very different animals! The older Bav's were very heavily built and were on our list (although they are hard to come by in general). You seem to have quite a variety of boats on your list - a Warrior is very different to a Rival which is very different to a Nauticat! Rustler, bowman, vancouver, HR, Najad, Malo, are all fairly comparable and the distinction will come down to price and personal preference. (For me they're all out of budget for the size of boat we want, and so all very desirable, but if I had £200k + then I'm sure I would have distinct opinions as to which was better!)

Shame your away for the boat show - it proved very useful for us. Be careful on the HR49 - you may set yourself very high standards to meet!!

Jonny

 

[Carolwildbird]

thumbs down to (this) warrior 40..

/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif not my boat... very gloomy inside- been fitted out privately in very dark wood... felt rather morgue like.. and I didnt much like the build quality. Not sure i really liked the layout either.

Back to the drawing board.

Yes, I do have a variety of boats on my list as I'm still in the process of deciding what I really want!

We saw a really nice boat on another pontoon this afternoon and went over to see what it was-a Rustler 42 - /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif - of course something I've perused the details of but not seen in real life - very unlikely ever to be in budget (lottery ticket tomorrow)

ah well
dream on

Carol

 

[Amari]

Consider Wauquiez - blue chip French build. Fast criuser, heavy build, skeg protected rudder, keel stepped mast. Some for sale on ybw.com Very pleased with our 35 ft Pretorien. Nice and stiff in a breeze. See review YM Aug 2007

 

[emnick]

Re: thumbs down to (this) warrior 40..

Hello Carol, I have recently been through the same quandry. We have just had our offer accepted on a Malo 36. I looked at one Warrior in Plymouth, it was for sale for some time before I viewed. I am really not sure why it didnt sell to quickly but this caused me some concern (perhaps a little overpriced). When I finalised my short list to the Malo 36 I quickly noticed that owners hang on to them and resale values are good, also they seem to sell quickly. Hope this helps (not sure how good they will be in sunnier climates though) Good Luck