michael_w
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Havlet Bay is a fine if a bit rolly anchorage. Not reccomended in Easterlies.
Anglo-Fench rafting dispute.
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I anchored a couple of times in Havelet Bay many years ago but would not consider a dinghy trip outside around the castle. The harbour wall facing the bay has a smooth stone ramp that anchored boats use I seem to recall.
Robin
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Havelet Bay is the one immediately south of Castle Cornet breakwater and you can go ashore either on the beach or on a slipway by the Castle, just remember how far the tides go out or in! It can be a bit rolly sometimes for a while depending how you are lying, more wind is helpful if offshore as you then just pitch gently.
You are supposed to clear St PP customs inside before going there or even to Herm and Sark but few do, in any case if you don't go in and get the HM's book you wouldn't know that anyway would you!
You are supposed to clear St PP customs inside before going there or even to Herm and Sark but few do, in any case if you don't go in and get the HM's book you wouldn't know that anyway would you!
ShipsWoofy
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he then complained about the size of my fenders - and he didn't have any out!
John
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I have stopped a boat rafting on me for this reason, manky oily fenders and washing line were being set as he approached. Normally I have been known to accept this, but this particular season I was getting fed up of providing gear for other people who come along with nothing.
I am not suggesting your fenders were too small, he obviously had no intentions to be civil. Just suggesting that after a while rafting is not always fun, when I am on holiday I do not wish to spend half an hour teaching someone how to tie a knot or what shore lines are. Or having to lend them ropes so they can add shore lines, in one instant before I stopped allowing people to abuse my generosity, a boat came along with just fore and aft lines, no springs or shore lines, when quizzed this was apparently the extent of his rope locker. I had more substantial lines in my string bag.
There are a lot of people who seem to expect and get the use of other peoples equipment and goodwill wherever they go. This does not mean I will never help someone, but I have a limit now. I also think, because people see a MAB they think they can ride roughshod over my topsides and get away with half inflated dinghy fenders, well, they can't no more!
he then complained about the size of my fenders - and he didn't have any out!
John
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I have stopped a boat rafting on me for this reason, manky oily fenders and washing line were being set as he approached. Normally I have been known to accept this, but this particular season I was getting fed up of providing gear for other people who come along with nothing.
I am not suggesting your fenders were too small, he obviously had no intentions to be civil. Just suggesting that after a while rafting is not always fun, when I am on holiday I do not wish to spend half an hour teaching someone how to tie a knot or what shore lines are. Or having to lend them ropes so they can add shore lines, in one instant before I stopped allowing people to abuse my generosity, a boat came along with just fore and aft lines, no springs or shore lines, when quizzed this was apparently the extent of his rope locker. I had more substantial lines in my string bag.
There are a lot of people who seem to expect and get the use of other peoples equipment and goodwill wherever they go. This does not mean I will never help someone, but I have a limit now. I also think, because people see a MAB they think they can ride roughshod over my topsides and get away with half inflated dinghy fenders, well, they can't no more!
doug748
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Havelet Bay has one prime vertue, it is free. Last year I was stuck there for a week waiting for northerlies to subside. I would have been very miffed to spend nearly £150 quid just hanging around, esp as singlehanded.
Birdseye
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Came across a Froggie steel boat once who had adopted another approach - all his mooring cleats were welded to the outside of his hull. For fenders on his inside he had two old car tyres.
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I'm assuming the tale recounted was on the outer pontoons rather than in the marina...
That said St Peter Port now charge us £24/night (it went up from £18) for the pleasure of being rafted up to 3 deep on the outside pontoons with no electrics and needing either the dink or the unreliable but very expensive taxi to get ashore.
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Yes, the said incident took place on the offshore pontoons.
While paying the bill for 2 nights I told the HM of grumbles on the internet about the cost of the offshore pontoons, he quickly cut in and said it is the same price because the same marina facilities are offered.
Later I heard a more plausible story. The Guernsey State is dealing with an overspend on some capital harbour projects and needs to recoup money somewhere.
Another perspective on the Guernsey malaise came from a visiting yachting who grew up on the island. He said the culture of the island changed in the 1970's when they let in the offshore banking business.
I still enjoyed my stay and thought the eating options better than the dreary gastronomic landscape of St. Vaast with endless menus of mules-frite, galettes and chitterling sausage.
I'm assuming the tale recounted was on the outer pontoons rather than in the marina...
That said St Peter Port now charge us £24/night (it went up from £18) for the pleasure of being rafted up to 3 deep on the outside pontoons with no electrics and needing either the dink or the unreliable but very expensive taxi to get ashore.
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Yes, the said incident took place on the offshore pontoons.
While paying the bill for 2 nights I told the HM of grumbles on the internet about the cost of the offshore pontoons, he quickly cut in and said it is the same price because the same marina facilities are offered.
Later I heard a more plausible story. The Guernsey State is dealing with an overspend on some capital harbour projects and needs to recoup money somewhere.
Another perspective on the Guernsey malaise came from a visiting yachting who grew up on the island. He said the culture of the island changed in the 1970's when they let in the offshore banking business.
I still enjoyed my stay and thought the eating options better than the dreary gastronomic landscape of St. Vaast with endless menus of mules-frite, galettes and chitterling sausage.
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
That old chestnut,, the ol 6am departure..
Came into Falmouth a few years ago after a downwind rolly run with everyone getting sick and fractous, came alongside a Sigma 362 and rafted up, Skipper emerges and informs us he will be leaving at 6 am the next day..
So we leave and go somewere else. Bugger was still their 3 days later when we left.
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!
I have NEVER seen anyone who says that they are going to leave at 6am from the inside of a raft actually leave, If you are leaving early, and are a considerate person, you make sure that you are on the outside of a raft, or you find some other solution to not disturbe people. Or at least thats what we do.
Maybe its differnet up in the Big Ditch.
Gentlemen never go to windward or wake up before 8am.
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Came into Falmouth a few years ago after a downwind rolly run with everyone getting sick and fractous, came alongside a Sigma 362 and rafted up, Skipper emerges and informs us he will be leaving at 6 am the next day..
So we leave and go somewere else. Bugger was still their 3 days later when we left.
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!
I have NEVER seen anyone who says that they are going to leave at 6am from the inside of a raft actually leave, If you are leaving early, and are a considerate person, you make sure that you are on the outside of a raft, or you find some other solution to not disturbe people. Or at least thats what we do.
Maybe its differnet up in the Big Ditch.
Gentlemen never go to windward or wake up before 8am.
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Skyva_2
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Into Haslar a few years ago at 2 am after a X Channel, moored alongside, they immediately popped up and said they were leaving at, you guessed it, 6.00 am! We were too tired to move and half assumed they were bluffing and said wake us when you go. We actually woke at 0600, moved off, the inside boat did start to leave and their engine would not start!
Lizzie_B
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coming up to Lymington Town Quay on the beginning of the flood tide everyone was rafted three up except for one trot two deep. Logically I decided to drop onto the trot of two.
I politely hailed them and asked if it was alright to come alongside. A rather snooty female voice drawled loudly 'We'd much rather you didn't'.
Meanwhile, on the trot ahead a couple of elderly cockneys on the outboard wooden mobo scrambled up from their gins and beckoned us enthusiastically alongside.
The whole trot ended up having a great party into the early hours.
As the rush hour of the half tide arrived it was with great glee that we saw the HM direct three large,noisy, heavy drinking Sunsail charter groups to raft onto the party poopers They had the joy of all these people traipsing across their decks and cockpit as they went in search of pubs and, of course, when they returned after a late curry. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
We remained outboard boat on our trot as we were next to the slipway. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Yes! Why is it always 6am? Had that happen to us once in Weymouth. Needless to say he was still there next afternoon!
In the States where I sail now rafting up alongside a quay seems unheard of,, but groups often raft up at anchor overnight /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I politely hailed them and asked if it was alright to come alongside. A rather snooty female voice drawled loudly 'We'd much rather you didn't'.
Meanwhile, on the trot ahead a couple of elderly cockneys on the outboard wooden mobo scrambled up from their gins and beckoned us enthusiastically alongside.
The whole trot ended up having a great party into the early hours.
As the rush hour of the half tide arrived it was with great glee that we saw the HM direct three large,noisy, heavy drinking Sunsail charter groups to raft onto the party poopers They had the joy of all these people traipsing across their decks and cockpit as they went in search of pubs and, of course, when they returned after a late curry. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
We remained outboard boat on our trot as we were next to the slipway. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Yes! Why is it always 6am? Had that happen to us once in Weymouth. Needless to say he was still there next afternoon!
In the States where I sail now rafting up alongside a quay seems unheard of,, but groups often raft up at anchor overnight /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Robin
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While paying the bill for 2 nights I told the HM of grumbles on the internet about the cost of the offshore pontoons, he quickly cut in and said it is the same price because the same marina facilities are offered.
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Inside the marina you can walk ashore, have electricity on the pontoons and showers and toilets on hand. Outside for the same price the pontoons are not connected to shore, are exposed to winds from the east, have no electricity AND they expect you to go ashore to the toilets and not to use on board loos. There is water available but last time the hose would not reach us on the end of the pontoon. It is usual to be rafted up on the outside and boats arrive and depart at all hours because of the tide constraints. Fortunately we have a holding tank which at least solves one problem. £24/night for this and to be rafted up is extortionate in my view, bearing in mind that the Islands are VAT free, because with VAT added that would be £28.20! We pay £16 in Lymington INC VAT as a comparison in the expensive Solent.
St Peter Port is raking in money in harbour dues surely from the large numbers of cruise ships that now visit. We have been visiting there since the early '70s, SWMBO is even seen in a bikini on one of the postcards which is still on sale over there and that was taken nearly 20 years ago! They used to hand out questionaires asking how much we spent during a stay and said they were well aware of the income boats brought in and certainly we would spend quite freely there on meals out, duty frees, food and even chandlery, I even bought my M&S underwear there. Since the price hike and similar instant %age increases in restaurant prices, we stay at anchor if possible and anyway hurry on by to France where we pay about £17/£18 night for a finger berth and free electrics, so increasing our fees by 33% has cost them probably 5 or 6 times that in lost money spent ashore AND they don't gain but lose anyway on the mooring fees as we will anchor for free or stay just one night instead of three.
I know it is a one man protest and lost amongst all the newbie visitors willing to pay whatever is demanded, but I do hate rip-offs.
While paying the bill for 2 nights I told the HM of grumbles on the internet about the cost of the offshore pontoons, he quickly cut in and said it is the same price because the same marina facilities are offered.
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Inside the marina you can walk ashore, have electricity on the pontoons and showers and toilets on hand. Outside for the same price the pontoons are not connected to shore, are exposed to winds from the east, have no electricity AND they expect you to go ashore to the toilets and not to use on board loos. There is water available but last time the hose would not reach us on the end of the pontoon. It is usual to be rafted up on the outside and boats arrive and depart at all hours because of the tide constraints. Fortunately we have a holding tank which at least solves one problem. £24/night for this and to be rafted up is extortionate in my view, bearing in mind that the Islands are VAT free, because with VAT added that would be £28.20! We pay £16 in Lymington INC VAT as a comparison in the expensive Solent.
St Peter Port is raking in money in harbour dues surely from the large numbers of cruise ships that now visit. We have been visiting there since the early '70s, SWMBO is even seen in a bikini on one of the postcards which is still on sale over there and that was taken nearly 20 years ago! They used to hand out questionaires asking how much we spent during a stay and said they were well aware of the income boats brought in and certainly we would spend quite freely there on meals out, duty frees, food and even chandlery, I even bought my M&S underwear there. Since the price hike and similar instant %age increases in restaurant prices, we stay at anchor if possible and anyway hurry on by to France where we pay about £17/£18 night for a finger berth and free electrics, so increasing our fees by 33% has cost them probably 5 or 6 times that in lost money spent ashore AND they don't gain but lose anyway on the mooring fees as we will anchor for free or stay just one night instead of three.
I know it is a one man protest and lost amongst all the newbie visitors willing to pay whatever is demanded, but I do hate rip-offs.
l'escargot
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....Meanwhile, on the trot ahead a couple of elderly cockneys on the outboard wooden mobo scrambled up from their gins and beckoned us enthusiastically alongside....
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Obviously regulars. That's the secret of Lymington Town Quay - on busy nights the rafts will be 6 deep. Far better to choose who is outside of you early and invite alongside the boats with couples on, then the charter boats with 6 or 8 on have to go outside of other people. Far better to choose your neighbours... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
....Meanwhile, on the trot ahead a couple of elderly cockneys on the outboard wooden mobo scrambled up from their gins and beckoned us enthusiastically alongside....
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Obviously regulars. That's the secret of Lymington Town Quay - on busy nights the rafts will be 6 deep. Far better to choose who is outside of you early and invite alongside the boats with couples on, then the charter boats with 6 or 8 on have to go outside of other people. Far better to choose your neighbours... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Lizzie_B
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/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif perzackerly /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif and if you sneak up on the spring flood with 4'7" draught you have a much wider choice of berths and can be all snugged down with a cuppa or sundowner before all the nervous and deep keeled skippers even start up the river on spring tides /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
fireball
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the nervous and deep keeled skippers even start up the river on spring tides
[/ QUOTE ] really nervous then! ... we got to the fuel pontoon at spring low with 6' keel ... ok - we dragged the bottom of the keel through the silt .... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
the nervous and deep keeled skippers even start up the river on spring tides
[/ QUOTE ] really nervous then! ... we got to the fuel pontoon at spring low with 6' keel ... ok - we dragged the bottom of the keel through the silt .... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Sailfree
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We have previously stayed many nights in Guernsey over a number of years but now limit it to an overnight stop when going to N Brittany.
Trouble is until people vote with their feet charges will continue to increase.
Solent to Guernsey is a nice 1 days sail what alternatives are there?
Trouble is until people vote with their feet charges will continue to increase.
Solent to Guernsey is a nice 1 days sail what alternatives are there?
Lizzie_B
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Yes, but Fireball, you're the complete opposite of nervous! Who else but a reckless youth would sail dinghies in the manner that you do? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif And the fuel berth is quite a way down river from the Town Quay /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
fireball
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Ah ... true ... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Robin
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Solent to Guernsey is a nice 1 days sail what alternatives are there?
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You can make Jersey on the one tide from Alderney Race, an extra 2hrs though, or even use Alderney as the truckstop for Brittany. We only use GY as a stop when coming home because going south (to Southern Brittany) we go via Dartmouth to Camaret, via Chenal Du Four. Coming home we used to stop a few days in St Peter Port, now we will just anchor in Havelet or off Sark or if we must go in just stay overnight. We always used to take a week as well over Spring Bank Holiday and 'do' the Channel Islands circuit but now we will miss them out, which we did this year, or do Cherbourg/Jersey/Sayk/Alderney/home or even Poole/Jersey/Sark/Cherbourg/Home so we go home with full wine bins.
Solent to Guernsey is a nice 1 days sail what alternatives are there?
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You can make Jersey on the one tide from Alderney Race, an extra 2hrs though, or even use Alderney as the truckstop for Brittany. We only use GY as a stop when coming home because going south (to Southern Brittany) we go via Dartmouth to Camaret, via Chenal Du Four. Coming home we used to stop a few days in St Peter Port, now we will just anchor in Havelet or off Sark or if we must go in just stay overnight. We always used to take a week as well over Spring Bank Holiday and 'do' the Channel Islands circuit but now we will miss them out, which we did this year, or do Cherbourg/Jersey/Sayk/Alderney/home or even Poole/Jersey/Sark/Cherbourg/Home so we go home with full wine bins.
Sailfree
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Thanks have not considered straight to Jersey. Is there a fish market for cooked crabs/lobsters in Jersey as the one in St PP.
Holiday starts once we have had a crab salad!!
Holiday starts once we have had a crab salad!!