Goldie
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In a previous boat, we had a BMW D12 - I believe the D12 was originally a Hatz generator engine.
and another idea for a vyv_cox article....
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Tranona
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Galadriel The Volvo 2003 (and other 2000 series) is a Volvo unique unit and replaced by the much more modern 20 series, Perkins based.
Bazonbeleza Sorry to spoil a good story, but the Buick Rover V8 preceeds Lord Snooks involvement. It was a GM engine from the mid 50's designed for their new "compact" cars which did not take off so became redundant. Was actually designed and made by Mercury Marine. Peter Wilkes of Rover saw it and bought it and the manufacturing rights as a replacement for the Aunty Rover much beloved in later years by Mrs T and of course in the P6, Range Rover, SD1 Morgan +8 and many of the TVRs. Eventually went out of production around 2003.
Vyv Cox Sorry to spoil another good story but Gardners way predate Sophia Loren. In fact right back to about 1911 in Salford. I remember visiting the factory because it was my account in the 1960's and meeting people who had been working there since the thiries. The crank grinding machine was actually also from 1911 designed and made by the company. Gardners were at LBS this year with a company in Kent offering remanufactured engines. Spent much of their time talking to nerds like me who remember them from their childhood. All 8 cylinders and umptine litres for 185 hp (but 325 in turbocharged form in their heyday)
Guess which nerd spent his formative employment years in the motor industry and is just about to draw his deferred pension from his then employer!
Getting back to the original question. Very few marine engines are specific to marine applications. Bukh and Yanmar are the main ones. Reason? Volume is so small that it is difficult to justify the investment in technology and manufacture. Most are industrial derived in smaller sizes and vehicle in larger.
Bazonbeleza Sorry to spoil a good story, but the Buick Rover V8 preceeds Lord Snooks involvement. It was a GM engine from the mid 50's designed for their new "compact" cars which did not take off so became redundant. Was actually designed and made by Mercury Marine. Peter Wilkes of Rover saw it and bought it and the manufacturing rights as a replacement for the Aunty Rover much beloved in later years by Mrs T and of course in the P6, Range Rover, SD1 Morgan +8 and many of the TVRs. Eventually went out of production around 2003.
Vyv Cox Sorry to spoil another good story but Gardners way predate Sophia Loren. In fact right back to about 1911 in Salford. I remember visiting the factory because it was my account in the 1960's and meeting people who had been working there since the thiries. The crank grinding machine was actually also from 1911 designed and made by the company. Gardners were at LBS this year with a company in Kent offering remanufactured engines. Spent much of their time talking to nerds like me who remember them from their childhood. All 8 cylinders and umptine litres for 185 hp (but 325 in turbocharged form in their heyday)
Guess which nerd spent his formative employment years in the motor industry and is just about to draw his deferred pension from his then employer!
Getting back to the original question. Very few marine engines are specific to marine applications. Bukh and Yanmar are the main ones. Reason? Volume is so small that it is difficult to justify the investment in technology and manufacture. Most are industrial derived in smaller sizes and vehicle in larger.
FullCircle
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<<<Don't be silly - that would require some degree of investigation & research.
Far easier to just copy & paste an industry press release.>>>
I respect your right to be an obnoxious arrogant person, I just wish you would not keep repeating it on here. If you have something original and positive, please post, otherwise, desist.
Lets hear how you would approach the issue, and what steps could be taken to present a scientific article.
Negative sniping without true aim is really killing useful threads like these.
Far easier to just copy & paste an industry press release.>>>
I respect your right to be an obnoxious arrogant person, I just wish you would not keep repeating it on here. If you have something original and positive, please post, otherwise, desist.
Lets hear how you would approach the issue, and what steps could be taken to present a scientific article.
Negative sniping without true aim is really killing useful threads like these.
damo
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No, the OM636 silly /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif - mine is nearly as shiny now with the new paint job! Won't last though... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
damo
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"I respect your right to be an obnoxious arrogant person, I just wish you would not keep repeating it on here. If you have something original and positive, please post, otherwise, desist."
Bit of a contradiction in there somewhere? /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Bit of a contradiction in there somewhere? /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
DownWest
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IIRC The Buick engine was redundant as GM had perfected thinwall cast iron which was much cheaper than ally-Still, our gain.
Andrew
Andrew
vyv_cox
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<<< Vyv Cox Sorry to spoil another good story but Gardners way predate Sophia Loren. >>>
I think you are reading something into the story that I didn't write. Mr Gardner (actually it may have been Gardiner) bought the company much later on, something like the 1980s. I can assure you that it is true, my son worked for them for several years.
I think you are reading something into the story that I didn't write. Mr Gardner (actually it may have been Gardiner) bought the company much later on, something like the 1980s. I can assure you that it is true, my son worked for them for several years.
vyv_cox
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Thanks for your comment. I was tempted to reply when the post first appeared but desisted.
If I can take my article on destructive testing of C-links as an example, I spent a total of a couple of days looking at every catalogue I could find, particularly for the non-marine sources which were not easy to find. I ordered some links on-line but some came from chandlers, which all took time. We spent a day doing the testing, for which I drove close to 100 miles return. I spent about a day and a half analysing the results and writing it up. YM's people did the layout and some sub-editing. Total time I guess was more than a working week by me, plus a couple of days from them.
The anchor connectors article took considerably more time as it covered more items, in two categories, and required far more explanation.
In return YM paid me an amount, which I won't tell you, but I could have earned it as a manual labourer in a day.
The 'Experts' pieces in YM are paid at a standard rate which amounts to about an hour of a semi-skilled worker's time. Fair enough if you can just rattle the answer off, but my most recent one took me at least a day to compile, as I needed to source information widely, do some calculations and then write it up.
I'm not complaining in the slightest, just pointing out that there is a hell of a lot more to it than cutting and pasting.
If I can take my article on destructive testing of C-links as an example, I spent a total of a couple of days looking at every catalogue I could find, particularly for the non-marine sources which were not easy to find. I ordered some links on-line but some came from chandlers, which all took time. We spent a day doing the testing, for which I drove close to 100 miles return. I spent about a day and a half analysing the results and writing it up. YM's people did the layout and some sub-editing. Total time I guess was more than a working week by me, plus a couple of days from them.
The anchor connectors article took considerably more time as it covered more items, in two categories, and required far more explanation.
In return YM paid me an amount, which I won't tell you, but I could have earned it as a manual labourer in a day.
The 'Experts' pieces in YM are paid at a standard rate which amounts to about an hour of a semi-skilled worker's time. Fair enough if you can just rattle the answer off, but my most recent one took me at least a day to compile, as I needed to source information widely, do some calculations and then write it up.
I'm not complaining in the slightest, just pointing out that there is a hell of a lot more to it than cutting and pasting.
AndrewB
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I'm not complaining in the slightest, just pointing out that there is a hell of a lot more to it than cutting and pasting.
[/ QUOTE ]Of course. Your pieces on C-links and anchor connectors were top-rate, authoritative and useful, models of good reviews.
But many yottie mags do carry features which one suspects are nothing more than paste-ups of blurbs. YM's 'New Gear' for instance, mostly featuring esoteric junk : a £1000 wire cutter this month, as if. They even recently included the water maker that everyone's been complaining is a scam. Irritating if you are looking for a genuine review, or at least thinking its some sort of endorsement.
I'm not complaining in the slightest, just pointing out that there is a hell of a lot more to it than cutting and pasting.
[/ QUOTE ]Of course. Your pieces on C-links and anchor connectors were top-rate, authoritative and useful, models of good reviews.
But many yottie mags do carry features which one suspects are nothing more than paste-ups of blurbs. YM's 'New Gear' for instance, mostly featuring esoteric junk : a £1000 wire cutter this month, as if. They even recently included the water maker that everyone's been complaining is a scam. Irritating if you are looking for a genuine review, or at least thinking its some sort of endorsement.
captainslarty
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MOST yottie mags publish SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much BS as to be frowned upon..
WHY do people come here for the real truth... errr, ell, cos its free, and true to life...
DONT mention the bloody stupid towed water gen lol.... now THAT is a real con job...
WHY do people come here for the real truth... errr, ell, cos its free, and true to life...
DONT mention the bloody stupid towed water gen lol.... now THAT is a real con job...
philmarks
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Mine\'s a merc too
It's an OM366, 6 cyl 5 litres
from one of these
Yours has a better paint job than mine!
It's an OM366, 6 cyl 5 litres
from one of these
Yours has a better paint job than mine!
captainslarty
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Re: Mine\'s a merc too
Jeez thats a beauty !.. 6 ltrs.. eek..
my humble 636 with 1800 cc's of throbbing power could be used to start it... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Jeez thats a beauty !.. 6 ltrs.. eek..
my humble 636 with 1800 cc's of throbbing power could be used to start it... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
damo
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Re: Mine\'s a merc too
And oh for the room inside a 15m schooner [sigh] /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
And oh for the room inside a 15m schooner [sigh] /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Avocet
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Galadriel
Bazonbeleza Sorry to spoil a good story, but the Buick Rover V8 preceeds Lord Snooks involvement. It was a GM engine from the mid 50's designed for their new "compact" cars which did not take off so became redundant. Was actually designed and made by Mercury Marine. Peter Wilkes of Rover saw it and bought it and the manufacturing rights as a replacement for the Aunty Rover much beloved in later years by Mrs T and of course in the P6, Range Rover, SD1 Morgan +8 and many of the TVRs. Eventually went out of production around 2003.
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I had some involvement with the Rover V8 - I worked for TVR for a number of years in the late '80s and mid '90s. They used to buy them from Landrover at the time and one of they guys there who was just about to retire claimed to have been one of the engineers who brought the V8 over from America. I remember him mentioning the BMW connection....
Galadriel
Bazonbeleza Sorry to spoil a good story, but the Buick Rover V8 preceeds Lord Snooks involvement. It was a GM engine from the mid 50's designed for their new "compact" cars which did not take off so became redundant. Was actually designed and made by Mercury Marine. Peter Wilkes of Rover saw it and bought it and the manufacturing rights as a replacement for the Aunty Rover much beloved in later years by Mrs T and of course in the P6, Range Rover, SD1 Morgan +8 and many of the TVRs. Eventually went out of production around 2003.
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I had some involvement with the Rover V8 - I worked for TVR for a number of years in the late '80s and mid '90s. They used to buy them from Landrover at the time and one of they guys there who was just about to retire claimed to have been one of the engineers who brought the V8 over from America. I remember him mentioning the BMW connection....
Avocet
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In a previous boat, we had a BMW D12 - I believe the D12 was originally a Hatz generator engine.
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That's definitely the case. I still have a D12 and there's a company doing spares for both:
http://www.kuenzlergmbh.de/service_e.html
In a previous boat, we had a BMW D12 - I believe the D12 was originally a Hatz generator engine.
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That's definitely the case. I still have a D12 and there's a company doing spares for both:
http://www.kuenzlergmbh.de/service_e.html