Anchors - the final thread

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In order to get a proper answer to the question 'What is the best anchor for a 12 tonne, 40 foot long yacht?' I have therefore asked ChatGPT so we can consider this as the final, irrefutable answer.

ChatGPT's answer is:

The best anchor for a 12-tonne, 40-foot yacht would depend on several factors such as the seabed, wind, and wave conditions, as well as personal preference. Some popular anchors for this type of yacht include:
  • Rocna: known for its holding power and ability to set in a variety of seabed conditions
  • Manson Supreme: a popular choice due to its holding power, versatility, and easy handling
  • Delta: a well-known anchor with good holding power and a reputation for reliability
  • Bruce: a classic design that has been around for many years and is known for its versatility and holding power.
It is important to note that the size and type of anchor should match the size and weight of the vessel. Before choosing an anchor, it is also important to consider the local anchoring regulations and requirements.

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I think we can close the forum now don't you think ;) ?
 
Unfortunately ChatGPT's training data is a couple of years out of date, so it doesn't give up to date answers. It also costs tens of millions to retrain so we can never fully rely on the jabberings it produces, clever though they look. It's also very open to shenanigans, I'm sure Neeves' postings have skewed the answer through sheer quantity alone
 
Mind you, I don' think anyone can take issue with this suggestion (which may make anchor threads less contentious):

The best anchor for a 12-tonne, 40-foot yacht would depend on several factors such as the seabed, wind, and wave conditions, as well as personal preference.
 
Hermit said:
Mind you, I don' think anyone can take issue with this suggestion (which may make anchor threads less contentious):

The best anchor for a 12-tonne, 40-foot yacht would depend on several factors such as the seabed, wind, and wave conditions, as well as personal preference.
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Sorry I'd take issue:

The seabed, wind, wave conditions and personal preferences are all variables. One set of variables will produce one answer etc. Unless you intend anchoring in the same place in windlass conditions.

Using AI the answer is bound to list Rocna at or near the top as over a short period of time the word Rocna was used very frequently (for all the wrong reasons) and is possibly one of the best known brand names (for all the wrong reasons). What the wrong reasons were does not matter (they are history) its the frequency with which it was used is the key (and providing comfort and support for ones choice - is for all the wrong reasons :) .

If current threads perpetuate you might find that Herreshoff starts to be mentioned.


lustyd said:
I'm sure Neeves' postings have skewed the answer through sheer quantity alone
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It might be useful if note had been taken as one of my standard phrases is

'Anchors are compromise' because of which it is impossible to recommend one, single, anchor and I would not have mentioned Bruce or Delta - so you misjudge, I'm hurt :). )

Jonathan
 
Hermit said:
In order to get a proper answer to the question 'What is the best anchor for a 12 tonne, 40 foot long yacht?' I have therefore asked ChatGPT so we can consider this as the final, irrefutable answer.

ChatGPT's answer is:

The best anchor for a 12-tonne, 40-foot yacht would depend on several factors such as the seabed, wind, and wave conditions, as well as personal preference. Some popular anchors for this type of yacht include:
  • Rocna: known for its holding power and ability to set in a variety of seabed conditions
  • Manson Supreme: a popular choice due to its holding power, versatility, and easy handling
  • Delta: a well-known anchor with good holding power and a reputation for reliability
  • Bruce: a classic design that has been around for many years and is known for its versatility and holding power.
It is important to note that the size and type of anchor should match the size and weight of the vessel. Before choosing an anchor, it is also important to consider the local anchoring regulations and requirements.

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I think we can close the forum now don't you think ;) ?
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Well that is more sense than has been spouted on some of the recent threads on here, so yes we should replace the forum with a Chat-Bot
 
dunedin said:
Well that is more sense than has been spouted on some of the recent threads on here, so yes we should replace the forum with a Chat-Bot
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Are you sure that hasn´t happened already ......... 🤣🤣
from chatgdp>
Listen up sailors, I've got a bone to pick with those of you who use big anchors on your boats. Let me tell you, this is a huge mistake and I'm here to set the record straight.

First of all, let's talk about the size of these anchors. They're massive, they're heavy, and they're completely unnecessary. Do you know what they do to your boat's performance? They slow it down, they make it harder to maneuver, and they add unnecessary weight to the already delicate balance of your vessel.

And let's not forget about the damage they can cause to the environment. These anchors are so big and heavy that they can drag along the ocean floor, destroying delicate ecosystems and habitats. It's not just about damaging the environment, it's about being responsible and respecting our planet.

So what's the solution? Well, it's simple. Use a smaller, lighter anchor. They're easier to manage, they won't weigh you down, and they won't cause any harm to the environment. It's a win-win situation.

In conclusion, let's all do our part and leave the big anchors behind. They're a hazard to our boats, to the environment, and to our reputation as sailors. So let's be responsible and use smaller, lighter anchors on our boats. Your boat will thank you, and so will the planet.
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It´s a pity there´s completely no point asking anything about anchors any more on here, thread will be derailed in minutes into an opinionated rant 🙄

Chatgdp is amazing though, listened to a podcast yesterday with one of the developers getting interview, they don´t know how some bits of it work. AI has written itself.
Very handy for software, it will write a chunk in moments instead of you having to dig through the web to check for function syntax etc.
 
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Interesting to see that one of the recommended anchors is a Bruce. Unfortunately, genuine Bruces are no longer made. (And in common with some other makes, some quite poor copies haven't helped their reputation.
 
All these anchor tests fail on a vital points. Getting on the boat. I have a CQR & that has a bar across the flukes. That is there, so I can step up from the pontoon, onto the bar then over the pulpit & on to the bow. I have done that hundreds of times in the 19 years I have owned the boat. But only anchored 5 times. So I regard the omission of "boat access" from an anchor test, as a major failing in the tests. o_O
I have also used it to hit a lock wall (once) break a poorly sited electric box on a pontoon (twice) Hit a pontoon pile (once) Chip a piece of GRP out of a 6month old Halberg Rassey 57 (once) so I feel that collision effect is also another important item that every anchor should be graded for.
Perhaps, if updating testing, the relevant testers might develope suitable tests. ;) :(
 
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