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[BruceK]

Thats the way forward Hurricane:encouragement:

Not sure Roy has that available to him Kwackers. If he did or could I'd presume he'd be using it and not posing the question. His is all internal. I tried a chain lock. The height of the windlass was above that of the chainlock and accidently retrieving with the chainlock on ripped the chainlock to shreds. I mean it wrecked it. After that I didn't have much faith in chainlocks at all

 

[Kawasaki]

If you want him to follow the knot with full attention, gaffa tape a can of beer to the end. His eyes will never leave it nor ever glaze over.

:encouragement:

 

[Kawasaki]

Well, yes I understand that ref the height etc
Not on Roy's boat though?
I sits here confused
Maybe a Dram might clear my confusion?

 

[Elessar]

so when we anchor ,we know we should not rely on the windlass to old the chain ,so we should have some form of hold on the chain from the side cleats ,nor the problem is reaching the chain from the bow, I don't really whant to use the dingy to reach the chain . What do you do ,ps boat is a sealine 42/5

I always just rely on the windlass and never lose sleep over it.
Even if it failed (unlikely) I'd only drift as far as the full length of chain.
Why worry?

 

[BruceK]

Good answer. Hear that Roy? You too with a laissez-faire, hakuna matata, attitude can soon be cutting your fuel tanks out the hull... from the sides. No worries mate, they can patch it after

 

[Seastoke]

I think this is the kind of thing that is being suggested

We used to do this all the time to take the load off the windlass - remember that the windlass has a cone clutch - so I wouldn't want to spend the night at the mercy of just a clutch.

We have now fitted one of these:-

Which we use all the time,
But if there are people sleeping in the forward cabin, we usually stick the bridle with the chain lock on - to stop the chain rolling over the bow roller all night.[/QUOTE H yes that is what I want to do but how do you get the snubbers to the chain

 

[BruceK]

Run the chain hook snubber line through a short length of pvc pipe so you can pull the line tight and reach under the bow to hook it on?
Roy forgive me here but have you checked your windlass / anchor locker to be sure you dont have a chain lock or pawl in place? With your design Id have thought there must be one from OEM

 

[Seastoke]

Run the chain hook snubber line through a short length of pvc pipe so you can pull the line tight and reach under the bow to hook it on?
Roy forgive me here but have you checked your windlass / anchor locker to be sure you dont have a chain lock or pawl in place? With your design Id have thought there must be one from OEM

two things I cant reach under the bow and ,I don't want a chin lock as we don't have a bow roller just a steel chute and it makes a terrible din ,like a south African shouting

 

[BruceK]

Ja well no fine. I'm alright, it's your problem. Just anchor far from me. Are you stocking up for this weekend? Looks like we may be south of the island again

 

[BruceK]

Just a thought. Any reason why the snubber line and chain hook cant go through your canon thing? Just tie up on the bitter end hard point?

BTW all this advice may be free on the forum except mine. Remuneration on funbox stocks is in order.

 

[Mike k]

I use a bridle,get some decent rope and splice in another to form a Y . Soft eyes on the top two ends go onto forward cleats and a thimble end on the bottom with a shackle pre attached to it to fix to the chain. Once all chain is deployed I just attach the shackle to the chain and let a bit more chain so the bridle takes the strain. I leave the bridle permanently attached to the cleats .

 

[petem]

I always just rely on the windlass and never lose sleep over it.
Even if it failed (unlikely) I'd only drift as far as the full length of chain.Why worry?

Are you sure that the end of your chain is securely attached to the boat? I'd always assumed that it was just secured sufficiently enough to stop the chain going overboard if you let too much out? Furthermore, it should have a rope 'bitter end' that obviously won't be strong enough to hold the boat in a storm.

 

[Elessar]

Are you sure that the end of your chain is securely attached to the boat? I'd always assumed that it was just secured sufficiently enough to stop the chain going overboard if you let too much out? Furthermore, it should have a rope 'bitter end' that obviously won't be strong enough to hold the boat in a storm.

yes.

The rope bitter end is strong enough (its a rope 20m actually) and the racket of the windlass letting go would alert me anyway.

But why would it let go?

It i was worried i'd just put a screwdriver through the link as it comes up through the deck.

 

[BruceK]

It i was worried i'd just put a screwdriver through the link as it comes up through the deck.

Oh my :ambivalence: You'd be halfway to making a new link on the first snatch unless it was a high quality tool. Then it would just snap. Give it a go in benign conditions.

 

[Elessar]

Oh my :ambivalence: You'd be halfway to making a new link on the first snatch unless it was a high quality tool. Then it would just snap. Give it a go in benign conditions.

nah I won't bother. I'm just not worried about my windlass. Others things to fret about. If it went I'd find a solution.

 

[MapisM]

But if there are people sleeping in the forward cabin, we usually stick the bridle with the chain lock on - to stop the chain rolling over the bow roller all night.

H yes that is what I want to do but how do you get the snubbers to the chain

The first para in my post #4 addressed exactly that.
That's what I do in my current boat, even if she has an open bow roller, hence it's also possible to attach the hook directly by hand (as opposed to "fishing" for the chain with the line attached to the hook), and then release as much chain as necessary.
It does take a bit of practice, but what in a boat doesn't?

If for any reason you don't like that, here's an alternative - a bit more cumbersome possibly, but bullet proof.
That's what I had to use in my previous boat, whose pocket anchors chains came out of the hull way too low to use the previous method.
Firstly, attach the line to the chain with a carbine hook.
Then release the chain, letting the hook and the line slide inside the steel chute, together with the chain.
When the line reappears under the bow, just grab it with a boat hook, pull it onboard and secure it to a cleat - job done.
A further refinement is the use of two lines, both attached at the same carbine hook and eventually to the bow cleats on each side, but the method for passing them through the chute and recovering them with the boat hook remains the same.
Below are two pics showing this setup, which is essentially the same that Hurric showed above, but with no rubber snubbers on the lines, which imho are not worth bothering with, because with enough chain the catenary effect is as effective (if not more) in absorbing snatch loads.
But each to their own on that.

 

[BruceK]

nah I won't bother. I'm just not worried about my windlass. Others things to fret about. If it went I'd find a solution.

In benign conditions thats absolutely fine and as we always strive to anchor in benign conditions you will be quite fine 99% of the time on windlass only. Some people really struggle with their first dozen or so overnight anchorages and nothing wrong with belt and braces doing it by the book either. Where we are we can suffer a strong prevailing wind mid to late season and you will often find us at anchor to a windward shore in gusting F6 and above or we'd never get out. The boats then will slalom and snatch quite a lot and place a lot of strain on the clutch and gears, end up on a lee shore and you're almost guaranteed to have the clutch slip. In a tight anchorage that can be nasty.

 

[MapisM]

nah I won't bother. I'm just not worried about my windlass. Others things to fret about. If it went I'd find a solution.

Well if it went (which reasonably would happen in a blow) and you'd find yourself grounded, the only solution should be a call to your insurance, I reckon...

 

[Hurricane]

I use a bridle,get some decent rope and splice in another to form a Y . Soft eyes on the top two ends go onto forward cleats and a thimble end on the bottom with a shackle pre attached to it to fix to the chain. Once all chain is deployed I just attach the shackle to the chain and let a bit more chain so the bridle takes the strain. I leave the bridle permanently attached to the cleats .

Yep - I agree with the concept but if you need to leave in a rush, you would need to undo the shackle.
Why not use a chain hook - really easy to use.

This is mine

 

[Mike k]

Yep - I agree with the concept but if you need to leave in a rush, you would need to undo the shackle.
Why not use a chain hook - really easy to use.

This is mine

fair point that .