robertj
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is there any rights to anchoring for free?
what areas are still available throughout the south where one can anchor for free?
what areas are still available throughout the south where one can anchor for free?
anchoring rights
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Seajet
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Robertj,
May I suggest a look at the latter few posts on 'killing our pastime'.
As far as I know one has no 'right' to free anchorage, really it comes down to 'is it worth the hassle & expense of employing a chap with a dory or similar set-up to collect fees ?'.
Around South & SW UK, the answer seems to be 'yes, let's collect fees' !
May I suggest a look at the latter few posts on 'killing our pastime'.
As far as I know one has no 'right' to free anchorage, really it comes down to 'is it worth the hassle & expense of employing a chap with a dory or similar set-up to collect fees ?'.
Around South & SW UK, the answer seems to be 'yes, let's collect fees' !
robertj
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maybe i am wrong but there was some long tradition in law which prevented chrages for anchoring am i wrong over this?
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
No one makes a charge to anchor in the vast majority of anchorages... but of course there are some popular harbours were there are dues to pay.... even if you sit on your own hook...
Salcombe
Falmouth
Fowey (if you can find a place to anchor...)
in the west country...
But there are way more places to go...
We got a start on a some listings in 2009....
http://wanca.wordpress.com/2009/06/
Salcombe
Falmouth
Fowey (if you can find a place to anchor...)
in the west country...
But there are way more places to go...
We got a start on a some listings in 2009....
http://wanca.wordpress.com/2009/06/
clyst
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Think that only applied if seeking shelter in severe weather .If it was law in the begining .
Always thought the sea bottom was free with the exception of the Beaulieu river which Lord Montague seems to have acquired all for his self.There are restrictions within harbours but even in the Hamble I know places you can hide away if you can avoid the grasping Harbour Master.
The open coastline is OK (at least before the conservationists get to it) but you can't consider it safe long term.
glashen
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The Crown estates do of course have a vested interest.
Some harbours and rivers do have the right to charge, Beaulieu is one notable example, others such as Newtown Creek ask for a "Voluntary Donation" . There is an issue of when anchoring becomes mooring the above website gives some information on this but it is a complex area. The position at Studland is that a number of mooring have been laid for many years without explicit permission but rely on the statutory right to anchor. The establishment of the MCZs include the possibility of restricting navigation and anchoring.
BlackPig
N/A
The common law established some centuries ago that there is a public right of navigation for vessels in tidal navigable waters. It also established that anchoring in the course of navigation is part of the public right.
From
http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/print/our_portfolio/marine/moorings_marinas/moorings_law.htm
From
http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/print/our_portfolio/marine/moorings_marinas/moorings_law.htm
Twister_Ken
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You can anchor for free in many places, but none of them (I suspect) are sufficiently sheltered that you would consider leaving a boat there unattended for any length of time. Places that are sufficiently sheltered are generally called ports, harbours, havens, etc and are administered by those who believe that we should pay a fee for being administered by them, and to subsidise their peaked caps, pensions, offices, ribs and patrol boats.
The sea bed itself (a few exceptions) belongs to the Crown Estate a.k.a the Government, and they take the attitude that for the privilege of them allowing us to drop a mooring or an anchor on a bit of their seabed, we should pay them a rent.
The sea bed itself (a few exceptions) belongs to the Crown Estate a.k.a the Government, and they take the attitude that for the privilege of them allowing us to drop a mooring or an anchor on a bit of their seabed, we should pay them a rent.
NormanS
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Your suspicions are unwarranted.
chubby
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Now here is a controversial view that will get the keyboards alight! If we anchor somewhere that is enclosed and sheltered like Newtown Creek, rather than the adjacent open coastline, and we are being asked for a donation by the local HM rather than an MDL multilnational, should we not pay willlingly and show that as yachties we are contributing to the local economy and why not should one guy not have a hat to wear, a boat to drive and a pension to lookforward to, I dont suppose he is on a bankers bonus but I suspect some of those who try to get there white shiny new boats up his creek are!
Before I get abused, I am not a banker and anyone who knows Dabchick know she is a little faded but even so she gets the odd pressie of new sails, or a bit of electronics and I may spend several thousand a year on her overall up keep,
6 visits to Newtown a year? Several donations of a fiver when asked? less than 30 quid, why moan!?
I dont even begrudge Lord Monty across the water when his river sometimes has more space, I would rather he keep his river like it is than be bought out by MDL / Premier.
Somehow in France visiting yachts are seen as welcome contributors to the local scene and economy yet on the UK side we seem increasingly resented? Why?
Sermon over, back to the telly, happy christmas folks
Before I get abused, I am not a banker and anyone who knows Dabchick know she is a little faded but even so she gets the odd pressie of new sails, or a bit of electronics and I may spend several thousand a year on her overall up keep,
6 visits to Newtown a year? Several donations of a fiver when asked? less than 30 quid, why moan!?
I dont even begrudge Lord Monty across the water when his river sometimes has more space, I would rather he keep his river like it is than be bought out by MDL / Premier.
Somehow in France visiting yachts are seen as welcome contributors to the local scene and economy yet on the UK side we seem increasingly resented? Why?
Sermon over, back to the telly, happy christmas folks
sailorman
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alant
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This is how proper anchorages deteriorate!
Understand your comments, but, what has the HM at Newtown provided?
The 'sheltered waters' are an accident of geography, not dug out by dredger at the harbours expense.
Quite the reverse, since the NT seem to be laying down permanent visitors moorings in areas normally the habitation of anchors, which are now unable to be used.
Newtown is no longer the romatic quiet anchorage of yesteryear, but another easy to use yachtpark. may as well hand it over to NCP!
Understand your comments, but, what has the HM at Newtown provided?
The 'sheltered waters' are an accident of geography, not dug out by dredger at the harbours expense.
Quite the reverse, since the NT seem to be laying down permanent visitors moorings in areas normally the habitation of anchors, which are now unable to be used.
Newtown is no longer the romatic quiet anchorage of yesteryear, but another easy to use yachtpark. may as well hand it over to NCP!
Poignard
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Supposing you refused to pay - what could the 'authority' seeking to charge you do about it?
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Seajet
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I do agree with the sentiment, I'd much rather pay a few quid to a chap who's part of the landscape and hope it's actually contributing to his probably none too luxurious lifestyle, than fund a new corporate logo for Marine Megacorp co...
MASH
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Sailorman - spot on!
Someone please explain. I have not sailed in UK waters for some time so this buisness of charging to anchor is new to me. Where geographically does this happen, and it is done by by whom?
If the tidal seabed is Crown property then only Crown Estates or their agents could charge for the use of it, do the people charging identify themselves as such?
Despite all that the commonlaw right to navigate and anchor would seem to negate the concept of charging at all.
Presumably there are local bylaws that prevent or restrict anchoring in certain places, ie harbours as well as the restrictions marked on charts, are there bylaws to charge as well?
I must say the concept of paying to anchor seems inherently wrong, and clearly fails the test of reasonableness that underpins commonlaw.
Someone please explain. I have not sailed in UK waters for some time so this buisness of charging to anchor is new to me. Where geographically does this happen, and it is done by by whom?
If the tidal seabed is Crown property then only Crown Estates or their agents could charge for the use of it, do the people charging identify themselves as such?
Despite all that the commonlaw right to navigate and anchor would seem to negate the concept of charging at all.
Presumably there are local bylaws that prevent or restrict anchoring in certain places, ie harbours as well as the restrictions marked on charts, are there bylaws to charge as well?
I must say the concept of paying to anchor seems inherently wrong, and clearly fails the test of reasonableness that underpins commonlaw.
l'escargot
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Nor does the contribution go to the local economy, it goes into the NT coffers.Understand your comments, but, what has the HM at Newtown provided?
The 'sheltered waters' are an accident of geography, not dug out by dredger at the harbours expense.
Quite the reverse, since the NT seem to be laying down permanent visitors moorings in areas normally the habitation of anchors, which are now unable to be used.
Newtown is no longer the romatic quiet anchorage of yesteryear, but another easy to use yachtpark. may as well hand it over to NCP!
In the season Newtown is now just a place for motorboats and RIBs to collectively play at "getting away from it all", little more than a theme park - Thorpe Park with a barbecue on the beach - so an entrance fee doesn't seem unreasonable.
Ubergeekian
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It all depends on what we get for our "contribution". If it just goes into the pockets of some rich bloke in London then it's hardly benefitting the local economy ...
Tranona
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If you go on the RYA website you will find a good summary of matters related to anchoring, moorings, who owns what and so on. Read that and most of the comments on this thread would disappear!
BobPrell
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I went to the RYA site, and had a click-around for a while without finding anything.
Search did not help. Do you know a precise link?
The only thing I know from this thread is that some folks don't know much, and those who "know" seem to know differing things.
I would like to know better as I dream about coastal cruising the British Isles a lot.
Search did not help. Do you know a precise link?
The only thing I know from this thread is that some folks don't know much, and those who "know" seem to know differing things.
I would like to know better as I dream about coastal cruising the British Isles a lot.