Petrolia
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Thanks for the links. The second one looks like a great web site. Great bass fishing tips. I'll be going to that site again for sure.
Anchoring in DEEP water
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Major Catastrophe
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Until my position holding invention has been developed and I become a multi millionaire, can you explain how the Alderney Ring works.
I have searched the interweb and found one illustration, which shows the anchor in its final 'up' position.
I assume you use a standard anchor with chain and rope, but the rode is threaded through the ring, which in turn is attached to a buoy that is large enough to support the combined weight of the anchor, chain and rope and the bitter end is attached to the post in the anchor locker, so the anchor rope is still in the bow roller.
You toss the whole lot overboard and the anchor sets as normal and the buoy will just sit in the water close to the boat.
How do you recover it?
Trying to decipher the instructions, it would seem that you simply motor uptide at an angle of 45 degrees to the anchor and the buoy will move away from the boat until you have a situation where the rope from the bow rollers is horizontal to the surface to the buoy which is now directly over the anchor.
As you keep pulling away, the anchor is broken out by the vertical pull and the, by now, chain is moving through the ring until eventually it meets the ring itself.
You now have your rope and chain slack between you and the buoy so you can hook the rope and leisurely pull it in and pile it all into the cockpit, making sure you don't foul the prop.
Once back in your berth you can stow it all back in the forward anchor locker for safe keeping. But, I assume to benefit from the true single handed advantage of this system, if you intened to anchor that day, it should be already prepared in the cockpit, but attached forward, ready to toss overboard.
Does the chain always run through the ring without snagging?
Have I got it right, or should I work on my invention a bit more, because I'll have to order the beer in now?
I have searched the interweb and found one illustration, which shows the anchor in its final 'up' position.
I assume you use a standard anchor with chain and rope, but the rode is threaded through the ring, which in turn is attached to a buoy that is large enough to support the combined weight of the anchor, chain and rope and the bitter end is attached to the post in the anchor locker, so the anchor rope is still in the bow roller.
You toss the whole lot overboard and the anchor sets as normal and the buoy will just sit in the water close to the boat.
How do you recover it?
Trying to decipher the instructions, it would seem that you simply motor uptide at an angle of 45 degrees to the anchor and the buoy will move away from the boat until you have a situation where the rope from the bow rollers is horizontal to the surface to the buoy which is now directly over the anchor.
As you keep pulling away, the anchor is broken out by the vertical pull and the, by now, chain is moving through the ring until eventually it meets the ring itself.
You now have your rope and chain slack between you and the buoy so you can hook the rope and leisurely pull it in and pile it all into the cockpit, making sure you don't foul the prop.
Once back in your berth you can stow it all back in the forward anchor locker for safe keeping. But, I assume to benefit from the true single handed advantage of this system, if you intened to anchor that day, it should be already prepared in the cockpit, but attached forward, ready to toss overboard.
Does the chain always run through the ring without snagging?
Have I got it right, or should I work on my invention a bit more, because I'll have to order the beer in now?
Petrolia
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I think you're about right. I guess everybody has their own variations / refinements.
Believe it or not I'm not quite sure myself. I started boat fishing just over 3 years ago with my Brother in law who had had a boat before and the first few times we used the Aldernay system. Which was the way he had done it in the past.
I think we used to just throw the anchor over but not with the bouy attached. When we wanted to move one of us went up front and clipped the bouy to the anchor line. We had like a big carabina instead of a ring.
Then do the steaming away bit as you desribe. I think the reason we stopped doing it was becasue of the pain stowing the anchor & line away afterwards.
I think we should have tried a bit harder & maybe refined what we were doing. Best would probably be to look at the links STOATY posted above in this thread, have a practice and then refine to suit yourself / boat.
I think also part of our problem is we don't practice stuff much. Either too impatient to get fishing or then just wanting to get home. Needs a bit of thought to get right perhaps.
Second STOATY link looks like a good fishing site as well.
Believe it or not I'm not quite sure myself. I started boat fishing just over 3 years ago with my Brother in law who had had a boat before and the first few times we used the Aldernay system. Which was the way he had done it in the past.
I think we used to just throw the anchor over but not with the bouy attached. When we wanted to move one of us went up front and clipped the bouy to the anchor line. We had like a big carabina instead of a ring.
Then do the steaming away bit as you desribe. I think the reason we stopped doing it was becasue of the pain stowing the anchor & line away afterwards.
I think we should have tried a bit harder & maybe refined what we were doing. Best would probably be to look at the links STOATY posted above in this thread, have a practice and then refine to suit yourself / boat.
I think also part of our problem is we don't practice stuff much. Either too impatient to get fishing or then just wanting to get home. Needs a bit of thought to get right perhaps.
Second STOATY link looks like a good fishing site as well.
Major Catastrophe
Well-Known Member
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I think we used to just throw the anchor over but not with the bouy attached. When we wanted to move one of us went up front and clipped the bouy to the anchor line.
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I am asking because often during the week I like to go fishing alone - well everybody I know have proper jobs - and am not happy about going forward, trying to haul up the anchor against a five knot tide. The boat is too small for a windlass.
So, the buoy would have to out to save going to the bow and risk falling overboard.
Thanks for your confirmation that I am on the right track, but am still worried buoy will not be big enough to carry weight.
I think we used to just throw the anchor over but not with the bouy attached. When we wanted to move one of us went up front and clipped the bouy to the anchor line.
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I am asking because often during the week I like to go fishing alone - well everybody I know have proper jobs - and am not happy about going forward, trying to haul up the anchor against a five knot tide. The boat is too small for a windlass.
So, the buoy would have to out to save going to the bow and risk falling overboard.
Thanks for your confirmation that I am on the right track, but am still worried buoy will not be big enough to carry weight.
Stoaty
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You have it almost spot on. If you have an anchor like a CQR then usually the chain and anchor shaft go through the ring and you can get away with less chain. If your using an anchor with a cross piece like a fishermans type then the chain has to be heavier than the anchor for the anchor to remain under the bouy. If you find that sometimes your anchor dosen't go all the way down the chain then your using a ring that is too small. I would say a 10" stainless ring is a minimum. It's surprising how much weight a small bouy can lift I use an 18" buff and it's hard to tell there is an anchor under it. I usually motor off at 3-4 Knots, increasing speed when the anchor comes out and the bouy stays on the surface. If the anchor get stuck it will just pull the front of the boat around, just carry on round in as big a circle as you can until the anchor comes free. I suppose it could screw itself down to New Zealand but it's always come out for me.
A quick edit.
I always launch and retrieve my anchor from the cockpit. I find it much safer and I don't mind washing down a bit of mud now and then. If your on your own you should know how to do this.
A quick edit.
I always launch and retrieve my anchor from the cockpit. I find it much safer and I don't mind washing down a bit of mud now and then. If your on your own you should know how to do this.
Major Catastrophe
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I'm convinced now. I'm off to get the kit together for my own Alderney Ring.