Poignard
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Hey, please don't hijack my thread and turn it into the usual p***ing contest on anchors
Sorry - but he did ask!
Anchor security (not what you think!)
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Sorry - but he did ask!
NormanS
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Some of you people must keep your boats in rather unsavoury places if you have folk going about stealing your anchors.
The anchor on my previous boat was a great big muckle huge 140lb CQR, and before you ask, No! it didn't drag. (And nobody was likely to walk off with it either).
The anchor on my previous boat was a great big muckle huge 140lb CQR, and before you ask, No! it didn't drag. (And nobody was likely to walk off with it either).
fergie_mac66
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sht ancora's
Good job those divers the SHT s wernt about, all that churning of the eel grass
'cause Norman would be giving em Ideas
Good job those divers the SHT s wernt about, all that churning of the eel grass
Some of you people must keep your boats in rather unsavoury places if you have folk going about stealing your anchors.
The anchor on my previous boat was a great big muckle huge 140lb CQR, and before you ask, No! it didn't drag. (And nobody was likely to walk off with it either).
'cause Norman would be giving em Ideas
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Scotty_Tradewind
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About to buy another boat, and first on the list will be a good anchor to replace the probably useless bad copy of a CQR copy! I'll likely go a for Rocna or similar. I've heard stories of expensive anchors being stolen off boats in marinas. I suppose they're kind of obvious sitting up there in front overhanging the walkway. Does this really happen? Security ideas anyone? Worth taking it off and putting in the locker before going home....or is this just paranoia? I'd be interested in people's thoughts and experiences.
'Hi-jack'......... me??
I'm merely trying to ascertain, through the example of an experienced sailor, why you need to look farther than a real CQR to replace that useless bad copy... Then again, perhaps if you do buy a shiny new CQR it would be safe left anywhere...
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snooks
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If these fancy anchors sold for a realistic price no-body would bother to steal them.
My spade is one of the more expensive brands of anchors, but it still cost less than 20 nights in a marina, I can sleep soundly when it's blowing, and I don't doubt it's ability to hold us.
Therefore it's paid for itself in one season
It's not expensive if you're going to use it
When it's not underwater, it's in the anchor locker...well it was when we left the boat last
It lowers the weight, keeps it out of harms way, and it can't come off the bow roller if it's not there
Pete7
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Bluedragon, I would have thought you had the answer on your doorstep. Nip out the harbour, chuck new anchor and a bit of chain overboard for an hour and then bring it all back on board. Fragrant mud covering should stop most folk from even giving it a second glance, let alone touching it.
The decals on our Delta are now nicely scraped and faded, looks much older than it actually is.
Graham, do those Spade anchors loose the paint job after a while?
Pete
The decals on our Delta are now nicely scraped and faded, looks much older than it actually is.
Graham, do those Spade anchors loose the paint job after a while?
Pete
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DogWatch
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Put a fender on the end of the chain/warp and drop the anchor near the fairway on your way in, you can then pick it up each time you leave harbour. Don't forget to drop it off each time you get back home.
I think you may be worrying too much.
I think you may be worrying too much.
snooks
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The paint does scrape off with use, but the anchor is either in a locker or underwater, and it's meant to be used, not looked at
rob2
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It won't be long before the patina sets in and you no longer have a shiny new anchor (especially if you use it). You'll still feel robbed...
Rob
P.S. A set of pass paddlocks (keyed alike) with one on the anchor will allow you to walk around the boat before departure and if you collect the correct number of padlocks, everything's ready to go.
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Half Moon
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anchor security
three thoughts; 1. The anchor shackle should be moused with stainless or galvanized wire so the pin can't unscrew. It won't stop a determined thief, but it will slow them down. Better than sawing through the bow. Theft of electronics seems to be more of a problem than anchors of any type.
2. using some kind of lock would mean Murphy's law would strike at the worst time....where is the ### key!! or the tumbler is stuck with salt corrosion. You never know when the anchor will be needed. I wouldn't want it stowed and not ready to be deployed. I do use a cable and lock for the dink outboard. Combination unit so I never have to worry about the key. However, the outboard is on the stern pulpit away from most of the salt spray.
3. I purchased a Delta, galvanized not the stainless model... Happy with the performance; sets good and has held so far.
Fair winds, Bill from Half Moon
three thoughts; 1. The anchor shackle should be moused with stainless or galvanized wire so the pin can't unscrew. It won't stop a determined thief, but it will slow them down. Better than sawing through the bow. Theft of electronics seems to be more of a problem than anchors of any type.
2. using some kind of lock would mean Murphy's law would strike at the worst time....where is the ### key!! or the tumbler is stuck with salt corrosion. You never know when the anchor will be needed. I wouldn't want it stowed and not ready to be deployed. I do use a cable and lock for the dink outboard. Combination unit so I never have to worry about the key. However, the outboard is on the stern pulpit away from most of the salt spray.
3. I purchased a Delta, galvanized not the stainless model... Happy with the performance; sets good and has held so far.
Fair winds, Bill from Half Moon
bluedragon
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'Hi-jack'......... me??
I'm merely trying to ascertain, through the example of an experienced sailor, why you need to look farther than a real CQR to replace that useless bad copy... Then again, perhaps if you do buy a shiny new CQR it would be safe left anywhere...
Actually you are right...I shouldn't pick on CQRs. There are some dreadfully bad copies of Deltas, Bruce and other types in the chandlers these days. Can you even buy a "real" CQR any more? If so it'll probably cost more than a Spade! But seriously, big "new generation" anchors are expensive vs. the cheap copies that even appear on some brand new AWBs. I have heard of one Spade going missing, but I just wondered if this was more prevalent than perhaps we all realise? It seems not...which is good.
Chrissie
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I had a reasonably cheap anchor and chain, someone stole both from the anchor locker on a 19ft boat I used to have on a mooring in little Hill Head Harbour, so as far as I am concerned big padlock rusted up in the bottom of the locker, and another for the anchor when not out on the boat.
snowleopard
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Use a stainless shackle.
Stainless in contact with galvanized will electrolyse the zinc leaving you with a bare steel anchor. Once it has a patina of rust it will work just as well and no one will want to nick it.
Stainless in contact with galvanized will electrolyse the zinc leaving you with a bare steel anchor. Once it has a patina of rust it will work just as well and no one will want to nick it.
vyv_cox
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Use a stainless shackle.
Stainless in contact with galvanized will electrolyse the zinc leaving you with a bare steel anchor. Once it has a patina of rust it will work just as well and no one will want to nick it.
Not really
The Delta was about 12 years old when this was taken. Has always had either a stainless shackle or connector attached to it. Galvanising on about three links of chain soon goes, those in the photo three seasons old, although there wasn't much zinc on either of them from new. Rust not significant so I guess the zinc is still providing some protection although it is not visible.
craigsmith
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I think that was tongue-in-cheek from SL. I hope?
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DogWatch
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Not really
The Delta was about 12 years old when this was taken. Has always had either a stainless shackle or connector attached to it. Galvanising on about three links of chain soon goes, those in the photo three seasons old, although there wasn't much zinc on either of them from new. Rust not significant so I guess the zinc is still providing some protection although it is not visible.
Vyv I am a little disappointed seeing this. On your advice (PBO destruction tests) I replaced all my anchor shackles with fat yellow pin calibrated shackles from Jimmy Green. I am not disappointed that I bought them, just that you obviously didn't!
I have never used a swivel either, maybe because we don't rely on a winch?? Too many weak spots in my opinion. I have anchored many vessels in many differing conditions and have never once knowingly suffered from a twisting chain. I have used chains on trawl nets, diving rigs etc etc and again never suffered. Until proved otherwise, I will consider the these swivels as an expensive solution invented by the people who make them.
While you're on, can you tell me if you tested a chain splice with 3 strand nylon rode while you had access to the kit? I can't remember and the tests will be buried in a pile of PBO copies in the loft.
I have a completely unfounded fear of the chain splice as I have never known anyone to use them, even on trawlers and family boats. The thing is, if they are as good as some on here say I would like to teach myself how to do them.. Anyone fancy earning a pleasant lunch in the north west and could teach me ??
DW
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bluedragon
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Vyv I am a little disappointed seeing this. On your advice (PBO destruction tests) I replaced all my anchor shackles with fat yellow pin calibrated shackles from Jimmy Green. I am not disappointed that I bought them, just that you obviously didn't!
I have never used a swivel either, maybe because we don't rely on a winch?? Too many weak spots in my opinion. I have anchored many vessels in many differing conditions and have never once knowingly suffered from a twisting chain. I have used chains on trawl nets, diving rigs etc etc and again never suffered. Until proved otherwise, I will consider the these swivels as an expensive solution invented by the people who make them.
While you're on, can you tell me if you tested a chain splice with 3 strand nylon rode while you had access to the kit? I can't remember and the tests will be buried in a pile of PBO copies in the loft.
I have a completely unfounded fear of the chain splice as I have never known anyone to use them, even on trawlers and family boats. The thing is, if they are as good as some on here say I would like to teach myself how to do them.. Anyone fancy earning a pleasant lunch in the north west and could teach me ??
DW
Thread drift coming up. What about a new post guys
vyv_cox
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Vyv I am a little disappointed seeing this. On your advice (PBO destruction tests) I replaced all my anchor shackles with fat yellow pin calibrated shackles from Jimmy Green. I am not disappointed that I bought them, just that you obviously didn't!
I suspect you didn't read the article in YM carefully enough but you can read it again (almost entirely) on my website. The galvanised hoisting type shackle did come out stronger but others of the same type didn't. I said in the article, and on the website:
'Galvanised steel shackles that are specified for lifting and hoisting duties had the highest strength but their results were variable.
Stainless steel shackles were consistently stronger than equivalent galvanised steel ones.'
I have said on these forums many, many times that I use Wichard 17/4PH shackles for critical duties. They came out second in the tests but were consistent.
Bajansailor
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Getting back to the original post about nicking (or not) anchors........
Just (tongue in cheek) install a cathead on your bow to hang your 200 lb fisherman from, and I doubt that anybody will be very keen on stealing it in a hurry......
Just (tongue in cheek) install a cathead on your bow to hang your 200 lb fisherman from, and I doubt that anybody will be very keen on stealing it in a hurry......
mcframe
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I lockwired the (oversized) galvanized shackle on our Spade. After 3 seasons, I figured that the rust would hold the shackle so I cut off the end of the pin and dremel'd it smooth to pass through the bow-roller - got to be better than introducing a swivel-connector, right?
(Swinging mooring so anchor lives in locker - I'll get an eyebolt on the bow-roller this winter so I can deploy both cruising chute tackline *and* anchor at /almost/ the same time ;-)
Next time I'll get a hex-shackle - but they are the devil's own invention when used on main halyards - DAMHIK.