FWB
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Yes as per my post #19, it's the only reason that I use one.
Anchor lights - where used?
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JumbleDuck
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Which clause in your contract do you think might allow them to do so?
prv
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No requirement for anchor light on a mooring, though.
(Although, on the other hand, there are some large mooring buoys in the middle of the Itchen and the end one of the trot actually has a light on the buoy itself!)
Pete
JumbleDuck
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The navy used to have three huge mooring buoys in Kames Bay and another couple in Rothesay Bay - unlit and painted black. They could be character-forming in the dark. There's just one left now, in Rothesay Bay, and although it's still unlit they have painted it yellow, which takes some of the sport out of it.
Wooden Boat Fittings
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No to a ball.
Yes to a light -- an oil lamp on a short line fastened to the backstay with a rolling hitch, about as high up from the cockpit bench as I could reach, and with another line fastened to the bale to hold it steady.
Mike
Yes to a light -- an oil lamp on a short line fastened to the backstay with a rolling hitch, about as high up from the cockpit bench as I could reach, and with another line fastened to the bale to hold it steady.
Mike
charles_reed
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Having missed it a couple of times I put reflective tape, just under the toerail.
Its worked now for the last 21 years.
charles_reed
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The catch-all of "unseamanlike actions".
KellysEye
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>Which clause in your contract do you think might allow them to do so?
It's not a clause in their policy they will use the fact you have broken COLREGS just as they will if you don't use an anchor light at night.
>No to a ball. Yes to a light
A ball is a requirement in daylight just as a light is a requirement at night.
It's not a clause in their policy they will use the fact you have broken COLREGS just as they will if you don't use an anchor light at night.
>No to a ball. Yes to a light
A ball is a requirement in daylight just as a light is a requirement at night.
JumbleDuck
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In which clause of your contract does that appear?
JumbleDuck
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In which clause of your contract does it say that you are only covered if you are following IRPCS?
GrahamM376
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The wording changes from policy to policy but along the lines of "due diligence" or "reasonable care". Not following colregs demonstrates negligence and not having an anchor light caused a yacht owner to be fined in Spain after a fishing boat hit him.
NormanS
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I seem to remember a case, some years ago, when a fishing boat coming in to the pier at Bunessan, hit an unlit yacht. Unfortunately, I can't remember the actual outcome, but it is pretty obvious that the yacht brought it on himself.
If the same thing happened in broad daylight, I fail to see how the yacht could have been blamed. If the boat coming in couldn't see a yacht in his way, how would he have seen a ball?
If the same thing happened in broad daylight, I fail to see how the yacht could have been blamed. If the boat coming in couldn't see a yacht in his way, how would he have seen a ball?
prv
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In mine, it's clause 1. It says:
(The elided bit is about maintenance in good repair and doesn't affect the meaning.)
Whether failing to hoist an anchor ball constitutes lack of due care in use I don't know, but it seems at least arguable. Presumably there is case law on the subject.
Personally I do it as a matter of good seamanship, not because I'm scared of the insurance bogeyman.
Pete
JumbleDuck
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Which would exclude almost every grounding, collision or other accident which befalls any yacht. However, I'm really agreeing with you. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, about which someone won't say "doing that (or failing to do that) might invalidate your insurance".
I think the idea of an anchor ball is to allow other craft to make an accurate assessment of their obligations under the IRPCS. For example, I have seen them used on ships anchored at the Tail o' the Bank (where ships wait before going up the Clyde) where, quite apart from legal duty, they are presumably useful to show who's parked and who is just stemming the tide.
I really can't see much point to using one in a normal anchorage.
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Rigger Mortice
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Exactly. If you are coming down stream and see a boat at anchor you know he will not be giving way for you, Likewise if you are approaching from his starboard side it's probably best if you don't stand on
l'escargot
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Policies usually have a clause regarding "reckless actions". I wouldn't like to test it.
NormanS
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Yes, and if you see a yacht sitting stationary in a sheltered anchorage, with a length of chain going down into the water from her bow, do you actually need a ball?
FWB
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I agree, No you don't. However my insurers may take a different view.
Rigger Mortice
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The operational word is "if". If you don't see the chain..........
Personally, I rarely bother with a ball when I drop the hook for a lunchtime stop, and I may or may not bother if I am staying for longer. If I am leaving the boat to go ashore I always put the ball up.
LadyInBed
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Some years ago I was sailing down the Solent, wind and tide behind me in 20 odd mtrs of water. Another yacht was heading up wind, no sails set. I watched him, waiting for him to change course, but he didn't, so I did. I was about to shout a few choice words as I passed when I saw his anchor ball, which had been obscured by his furled genoa!
Who the hell anchors in 20mtrs of water in the Solent?
I will tell you - a race committee boat
Who the hell anchors in 20mtrs of water in the Solent?
I will tell you - a race committee boat