Anchor Ball Needed?

[john_morris_uk]

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> I hope the case reported in the papers this week,
where the CPS decided not to prosecute the shopkeeper who killed his attacker,
is the start of more to come.
My only fear in this case was the fact that he used the attackers weapon, was the reason the CPS did not prosecute.
What if he had used a knife lying on the counter???
</pre><hr /> I was interested to hear how 'it was the assailants knife' was mentioned as if it had any bearing on the right of the shopkeeper to defend himself. My advice (from our legal department) was that if you can show that you believe your life was in danger, and that you acted 'in self defence' even if you grabbed your own knife (from a kitchen worktop for instance) in the struggle, it would not affect your defence.

What is not permissable is shooting people in their back as they run away - as what happened in the other famous case.

 

[CaptainBob]

Re: "Conrad v. Snair, (December 7, 1995) No. 109424 (N.S.C.A.)"

I may be missing something here - but if the anchored sailing vessel had been displaying an anchor light, is it not possible that this entire unfortunate event could have been avoided?

 

[BobE]

Balls, Triangles, and Cylinders!!

I've got a set of balls (well two sets) and triangles but I couldn't half do with a nice black cylinder when I meet the dinghy racers on the way into and out of Christchurch...
Although my draft's only 1.07 m I'm sure "contstrained" by it!!
All the swindlers seem to offer balls and triangles but I don't see cylinders??!!
Remember colregs have precedence over racing rules..
(Though we do try to avoid the bunnies)
Cheers Bob E...

 

[peterb]

Re: Balls, Triangles, and Cylinders!!

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Although my draft's only 1.07 m I'm sure "constrained" by it!!
All the swindlers seem to offer balls and triangles but I don't see cylinders??!!

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Assuming your ball is actually two plywood shapes, take them apart to get two circles. Get yourself a black towel and clothes-peg it round the dge of the circles to form a black cylinder. Hoist where it can best be seen, notv forgetting a down haul.

By definition, only power-driven vessels can be constrained by draught is power-driven. You'll still need your cone if you've got sails up, though.

It worked for us when we were on a collision course with a car ferry behind the Friesian Islands. We were ploughing the mud, he altered course and gave us a wave as he passed.

 

[VicMallows]

Re: Balls, Triangles, and Cylinders!!

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All the swindlers seem to offer balls and triangles but I don't see cylinders??!!


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Why not make one then with two rectangular slotted pieces of thin ply just like a ball or cone? (painted black of course).

Whether anyone, and particularly dingy sailors, would know its meaning is another matter entirely /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Vic

 

[l'escargot]

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....Here lies the body of Micheal O'day
Who died maintaining his 'right of way'.
He was right, dead right, as he sailed along,
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong.

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That old cliche appears so often to support arguments by people who want to justify their not following the rules.

If you applied it to motorcycling, you would soon be dead - wiped out by a bus that drove into the back of you when you stopped at every green light!

 

[l'escargot]

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...My only fear in this case was the fact that he used the attackers weapon, was the reason the CPS did not prosecute. What if he had used a knife lying on the counter???..

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The general rule is you can use equal force. So if someone tries to stab you and they get stabbed back, probably no issue. But if you grab your 12 bore and give them both barrels, you have got a bit of explaining to do.

 

[peterb]

[ QUOTE ]
Here lies the body of Micheal O'day
Who died maintaining his 'right of way'.
He was right, dead right, as he sailed along,
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong.

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He was wrong. There's no mention of 'right of way' in the Colregs. Just another of those wrong interpretations.

 

[aknight]

Oh dear, this is where I prove that I know absolutely nothing about admiralty law...the way I understand it, having never had to deal with it professionally, is that not displaying an anchor light is likely to be blameworthy but will not be held by an English court to be causative. So if you don't show an anchor light, and someone comes piling through the anchorage and t-bones you, they are to blame primarily for causing the accident, but you may have contributed due to not being properly lit.

The case was a Canadian case, not an English one, and the law there could be different but I don't think so, at least not in this respect. What the court there seems to have done is go a step further and decide that the failure to display an anchor light was not even contributory, as there was a custom in that locale not to show anchor lights at night.

 

[Mulge]

Kim,

I've sent this to you in an email, but also post it here just in the interests of sharing (notwithstanding that it will have limited interest in this thread).

The visitor buoys (in sets of three) I referred to in my posting seem, from a review of my charts of the Delta, to be restricted to the Haringvliet. Chart references are to the official Dutch chart sets.

Chart 1807.8 Noord Hellegat 51º42’10N, 4º 24’15E
Chart 1807.7 South of Tiengemeten 51º 43’63N, 4º18’00E; 51º43’78N, 4º17’55E; 51º43’76N, 4º15’90E; 51º44’74N, 4º15’50E
Chart 1807.6 Entrance to Spui 51º46’92N, 4º14’31E
Chart 1807.6 West of Hellevoetsluis 51º49’60N, 4º5’60E; 51º49’78N, 4º5’40E
Chart 1807.6 East of Stellendam 51º49’12N, 4º3’72 E

Brian Navin makes no reference to them in his “Cruising Guide to the Netherlands” nor does Louise Busby in “Inland Waterways of the Netherlands”.

The moorings are certainly used for overnight stops, but, with the possible exception of those west of Hellevoetsluis, you need to be self sufficient as there is really nowhere to go by tender. The Haringvliet is not as busy with commercial craft as Hollands Diep and, obviously the moorings are outside the buoyed channels, but just as anchor balls are shown during the day an anchor light would be wise at night.

In terms of harbours there are three gems – Hellevoetsluis is a large town, but the area around the harbour is the old naval base and is very picturesque. There are plenty of restaurants and a couple of small chandleries. Middelharnis is worth a visit – there is a long row of shops (with an Albert Hein at the far end) on top of the dyke that runs from the south west corner of the haven. (Stad aan ‘t Haringvliet has a modern marina with good visitors facilities – it is a great home berth because all the other places are better to visit, but not much happens in the village. The only shop closed down in 2007, although there is a bar and restaurant with somewhat erratic opening hours in the haven.) Willemstad is the stuff of picture postcards, with a good chandlery, some fine restaurants, and like Hellevoetsluis, some fine ramparts to walk along. There are two marinas – the Batterij, in the old fishing haven just outside the walled town, opened a couple of years ago and last season onshore facilities were limited; and the Haven in the moat of the town. There is also a binnenhaven that gets absolutely full very early, because it seems to be free. On the north side of Hollands Diep is Numansdorp – less attractive and consequently, less busy.

I read your website with great interest, trying to decide precisely where you have Emjaytoo berthed – I assume you don’t say for security reasons. My GibSea 92 was previously berthed at Wolphaarstdijk under her previous owner and revisiting the Verse Meer after two years on the Haringvliet is tempting. My own plans for this season are to move the boat to the UK for July and August, simply because my 17 year old son has a preference to spend his summer vacation at home in the UK, rather than at home in Holland. I’ll call you up if I see you as I make my way south to Vlissingen.

Mark