American trailerable sport fishers

[jfm]

Does she obtain max revs

Yeah sure we have covered all the basics stuff like that. I guess it's just a weight thing then. If so, I sort of get back to the point for Nick_H which is just because you have an outboard that looks a total monster when you stand beside it at a boat show with its gleaming "300" decal, on a boat like the one in OP don't assume a 4T will be anything like fast or super hole-shotty. Buy 2 motors to be on the safe side

 

[Sheppy]

Hi Nick,
Have you come across Ranieri? They seem to make varied range of larger OB boats. And being Italian I'm sure they handle rougher waters quite well too.

http://www.ranieri.co.uk/


And +1 on the Evinrudes - very good punch engines with fuel usage close to 4 -strokes.

 

[MapisM]

Check out this thread on Hysucat. He is claiming 72 knots from 250hp, on the 8-point-something metre RIB. Bearing in mind the MRC/JFM Capelli 8.5m RIB does 30-35kts with a 300hp Yammie, that's mighty fast http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/hydrofoil-supported-catamaran-designs-21189.html

I just had a look J, and I'm afraid that those claims deserve a BS flag much bigger than my usual one.
72 kts in a fully equipped 8m RIB, with a single 250hp (or twin 150, a difference which is neither here nor there in practice), that wouldn't be just a fantastic result, even considering the cat hull. MIRACLE would be the only proper definition.
I sincerely doubt that it would be achievable even with a stripped down, ultra light racing machine, with no hydrofoils and the epic 2.5 Merc EFI I mentioned before, mated with a sportmaster lowercase and a cleaver prop.
But with a boat equipped like the one in the above pic, and a Suzuki 4T with its plain vanilla lowercase and prop?
And with hydrofoils on top of all that, which at that speed are as effective as a braking parachute?
NOOOO WAAAY.

Otoh, since that thread is actually pretty old, I googled around a bit, to see if anyone dared to confirm such nonsense numbers in the meantime.
Unsurprisingly, I couldn't find any positive test or even just boaters feedbacks.
But I did find the boat specs on their current website (the one mentioned in that thread, www.stealth-design.com, seems dead):
http://www.hysucat.co.uk/images/32-800_extreme_rib.jpg
Interestingly, they still mention a "70+ kts" max speed for the thing, BUT!
First of all, the "recommended engines" are now up to 1x300 or 2x250, and while the first is no big deal vs. the previous 1x250, the latter does make a difference vs. 2x150.
Secondly - but almost as relevant - they also specify that the 70+ can only be achieved with surface drives.

So, if they are now telling us that with 2 Optimax 250XS, sport master lowers and cleavers, raised to a proper X-dim for full surface props, an 8m cat rib can see "70+", well, that at least begins to make some sense.
But the machine we are now talking about is in the "handle with care" category.
Pretty much another league, compared to the one in the previous pic...


Re.MRC/JFM Capelli, I agree with your conclusion that weight must be the main "problem", if any.
Together with the fact that she has a monohull, of course. For any given length/weight, a cat is bound to be faster.
And it's also a rather traditional hull, for that matter - neither stepped nor notched transom, IIRC?
Obviously designed more for elegant comfort and seakeeping than sheer speed, anyway.
All considered, I think that 1x300 is a well balanced powerplant for that boat.
Sure, you could get 10 or so knots more and a better holeshot with 2x250, but is it worth?
After all, how often can you (let alone want) go faster than 30kts in open sea with an 8m RIB?
'Fiuaskme, your single screw Capelli is every bit as good as any 70kts monster (if not better), to reach the Lérins Islands in style when you don't fancy moving the mothership.
I can think of many days when I would have gladly picked the Capelli, if given the choice, to go out just for an afternoon swim in some nice bays nearby, with swmbo alone or just a couple of friends.

 

[jfm]

Yep yep yep MM. I agree every word of that post
The Capelli is indeed a cruiser, and very nice at that too. No steps/notches btw. We'll stick with it

Nick_H, we've drifted around a bit on outboards and stuff though I hope there's a sliver of relevance to your OP. How's it going? Found any potential Grady Whites/Boston Whalers to purchase?

 

[MapisM]

Yeah, apologies to Nick_H also from my part.
My soft spot for speedboats tends to pull me into these drifts...

 

[Nick_H]

Yep yep yep MM. I agree every word of that post
The Capelli is indeed a cruiser, and very nice at that too. No steps/notches btw. We'll stick with it

Nick_H, we've drifted around a bit on outboards and stuff though I hope there's a sliver of relevance to your OP. How's it going? Found any potential Grady Whites/Boston Whalers to purchase?

Well the good news is that the Windy sale has completed today.

The towing weight is more of an issue than I thought, as you and gjgm tried to tell me earlier in the thread, but i failed to pick up on. I had it in my mind that even lifestyle 4x4's could tow over 3 tonnes, but obviously I was mistaken, and I don't want to buy a proper 4x4 just for towing a few times a year (and don't want to drive one as an everyday car). Realistically that means i'm looking at a boat and outboard weighing no more than 1500 kgs dry, to allow for trailer, fuel and clobber. The boat I had my eye on weighs over 2T (http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2011/Pursuit-OffShore-235-2494297/United-Kingdom), and none of the lighter ones meet all of the criteria.

Just re-thinking options at the moment.

 

[Nick_H]

Yeah, apologies to Nick_H also from my part.

Well I introduced hydrofoils into the equation, so i'm equally guilty

 

[MapisM]

Realistically that means i'm looking at a boat and outboard weighing no more than 1500 kgs dry, to allow for trailer, fuel and clobber. The boat I had my eye on weighs over 2T (http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2011/Pursuit-OffShore-235-2494297/United-Kingdom), and none of the lighter ones meet all of the criteria.

Not sure this would fit all your requirements either, but surely ticks the weight box, in spite of the 600hp block.
Besides, ain't the colour matching bimini lovely?

 

[jfm]

Well the good news is that the Windy sale has completed today.

The towing weight is more of an issue than I thought, as you and gjgm tried to tell me earlier in the thread, but i failed to pick up on. I had it in my mind that even lifestyle 4x4's could tow over 3 tonnes, but obviously I was mistaken, and I don't want to buy a proper 4x4 just for towing a few times a year (and don't want to drive one as an everyday car). Realistically that means i'm looking at a boat and outboard weighing no more than 1500 kgs dry, to allow for trailer, fuel and clobber. The boat I had my eye on weighs over 2T (http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2011/Pursuit-OffShore-235-2494297/United-Kingdom), and none of the lighter ones meet all of the criteria.

Just re-thinking options at the moment.

Two things:

I'm not into big 4x4 but I gotta say the LR Discovery 4, when I borrowed it a while back fro a trip to SofF, was a delight. I never excpected it to be as nice a car as it in fact was.

I don't want to encourage law breaking but it might well be that the penalty for a bit of over-towing 500kg too much behind the Chelsea Tractor From Sweden is £30 and nil poin'. Given that your house is 200m from the Lymington slipway and you might be doing the launch off peak at Saturday 7.45am or whatever, you might therefore think the risk is worth thinking about. Just saying... Obviously when the boys are older they can drive, so as to take the rap, and meantime SWMBO

 

[wakeup]

Now that may be powerful but it is very Naff. You would have to have a small seacock to pilot one of those.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Well the good news is that the Windy sale has completed today.

The towing weight is more of an issue than I thought, as you and gjgm tried to tell me earlier in the thread, but i failed to pick up on. I had it in my mind that even lifestyle 4x4's could tow over 3 tonnes, but obviously I was mistaken, and I don't want to buy a proper 4x4 just for towing a few times a year (and don't want to drive one as an everyday car). Realistically that means i'm looking at a boat and outboard weighing no more than 1500 kgs dry, to allow for trailer, fuel and clobber. The boat I had my eye on weighs over 2T (http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2011/Pursuit-OffShore-235-2494297/United-Kingdom), and none of the lighter ones meet all of the criteria.

Just re-thinking options at the moment.

Why not just get a banger 4x4 as a tow car? (Remember how much you 'enjoyed' that transit van)? You only need to have it for a year for it to be cheaper than drystack.

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[Nick_H]

I don't want to encourage law breaking but it might well be that the penalty for a bit of over-towing 500kg too much behind the Chelsea Tractor From Sweden is £30 and nil poin'. Given that your house is 200m from the Lymington slipway and you might be doing the launch off peak at Saturday 7.45am or whatever, you might therefore think the risk is worth thinking about. Just saying... Obviously when the boys are older they can drive, so as to take the rap, and meantime SWMBO

Yep, just doing it anyway is certainly one of the options i'm considering.

 

[Nick_H]

Why not just get a banger 4x4 as a tow car? (Remember how much you 'enjoyed' that transit van)? You only need to have it for a year for it to be cheaper than drystack.

Cheers
Jimmy

I gave that Transit van to my brother when i'd finished with it, but sadly just last week it went to the big car park in the sky.

Selling the Windy is as much about reducing hassle as reducing cost, so I definitely don't want another car to store, wash, fix, insure etc.

 

[MapisM]

Now that may be powerful but it is very Naff. You would have to have a small seacock to pilot one of those.

LOL, trust me, you'd better have big cojones to fly above even the flattest water surface at 100mph with a Daytona 19', regardless of her colours....

 

[longjohnsilver]

I gave that Transit van to my brother when i'd finished with it, but sadly just last week it went to the big car park in the sky.

Selling the Windy is as much about reducing hassle as reducing cost, so I definitely don't want another car to store, wash, fix, insure etc.

Then why not hire/borrow something suitable for the few times you'll be using it? I'd be in the jfm camp re the (minor) risks involved with driving something with a smaller towing capacity, the chances of being nicked are minute (but don't tell that to Chris Huhn ).

 

[Nick_H]

Then why not hire/borrow something suitable for the few times you'll be using it? I'd be in the jfm camp re the (minor) risks involved with driving something with a smaller towing capacity, the chances of being nicked are minute (but don't tell that to Chris Huhn ).

So either find someone with a Land Rover, or don't run off with a scary looking bisexual. Hmm, decisions ...

 

[Vitesse]

The 21' version of my 2000 Whaler Outrage had room for a facility in it's console. I'd have bought it but smwbo said 'too big'. She was right, the 18' is as big we can easily moor/use visitor's berths.

Mine weighs 2500lb plus 200kg (sorry for mixing units) outboard and then fuel and kit. I don't tow it. It's not over equipped for comfort, being built with fishing in mind. Very pleased with it.

We looked at Ranieri and tried a White Shark too. Similar prices and age, but no contest.

 

[BartW]

Hi Nick,

congratulations on finalising the Windy sales,
and nice plan for the new buy.
Very nice choice by the way,
Karnic has a similar model with OB, but looks more utilitarian, and less nice

I do understand your choice for OB, but when mostly on the trailer the issues with OD's are less frequent.
for acces for divers via the swim platfirm I opted for diesel inboard and OD's, even twin,
but the weight is slightly over legal towing limit.

I'm just at the point of convincing swmbo to replace her old Mercedes ML with a new one, as a backup towing car,
I do like driving big 4wd, still have a Merc GL, but each to their own on that.

your plan makes me decide to keep our Karnic at least a few more seasons, (only used 2 week-ends this year)
at the time she was the best compromise boat for our usage, (daytrips, dive trips, weekend cruiser, ...)
we towed her all over Europe as you know ;-)
and I never could understand why we don't see more of them.

edit: the Karnic 2250 might meet your requirements

 

[BlueSkyNick]

Nick - I know somebody who runs a marina very close to the slipway, with a large yard for storage, if it helps your decision making.

Its about time we had the beer we have been talking about for 5 years, if you want to chat about it!!

PS You need to modify the footer in your posts

 

[rustybarge]

Well the good news is that the Windy sale has completed today.

The towing weight is more of an issue than I thought, as you and gjgm tried to tell me earlier in the thread, but i failed to pick up on. I had it in my mind that even lifestyle 4x4's could tow over 3 tonnes, but obviously I was mistaken, and I don't want to buy a proper 4x4 just for towing a few times a year (and don't want to drive one as an everyday car). Realistically that means i'm looking at a boat and outboard weighing no more than 1500 kgs dry, to allow for trailer, fuel and clobber. The boat I had my eye on weighs over 2T (http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2011/Pursuit-OffShore-235-2494297/United-Kingdom), and none of the lighter ones meet all of the criteria.

Just re-thinking options at the moment.

As I understand the towing regs:

The trailer is plated for a max. weight, it is an offence to exceed this.
The tow car has an advisory recommended tow weight limit, you can legally exceed this in a private vehicle at your own risk, and it is not an offence to exceed it as long as you are not endangering other road users.