Am I allowed on here?

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Your wish sir!..........
I wouldn't mind knowing if she is considered a "classic" by the forum! to me she is just "my boat" and I personally don't worry if people do or don't class her as a classic!

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Tom
 
Well, I tell you what Tom, I am a confirmed Raggy, but I have to say, she is just lovely!

A proper "Little Ship"! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks for letting me see her.

Best, Charlie.
 
Jon,
I agree with your view 100%. The same goes for glues, if those old craftsmen had been lucky enough to have the glues and epoxys we have today of course they would have used them.
We are all here because we love wooden boats but we don't have to be blind to modern improvements.
ps Nice one Tom
 
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I may have read it wrong but................

I think your saying that wood was only used because it was cheap!

That may have been so but the craftsmens labour was not.
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Sorry, mate but labour (and life) WAS cheap then! Definitely not now, but in Victorian times, right up to post WW1, labour was cheap & easily replaced, which is why the Labour movement was born & there has had to be so much H&S legislation passed since then to protect people from exploitation. We may have gone overboard with H&S/PC today, but it was certainly needed in the early 20thC and before.
 
So your saying boat builders use plastic because it is better................... no chance, they use it because it is cheaper to manufacture a hull with plastic than wood, and not because it is a better material.

I've owned both and I know which I prefer!
 
That raises the question, if they had fibreglass in 1925 what would they have built boats in, and what would Hillyard have used if they had fibreglass at the start ?

Alan Buchanan's Diamond class is wood, his Halcyon 27 is fibreglass, both hulls are idendical, so what is better with the wood one ?

Brian
 
Well, you raise an interesting question, not sure there is a definitive answer, for all folks. Both hulls may look the same, but they are not the same. The Halcyon 27 ticks all my boxes to be sure, at least as far as they look great, and sail well.

The Diamond though, ticks one more box than the Halcyon, yep that's the one, it's made of wood! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

It all comes down to personal preference in the end, sailing and looking after a wooden boat, probably takes more of a commitment than say a GRP or steel boat, you are either comfortable with that, and enjoy the work, or you don't.

I don't see that there is really any conflict here, just what individual people prefer to sail and own. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
"if they had fibreglass in 1925 what would they have built boats in"

Fiberglass, of coarse they would, as previously stated, it's a cheaper process and they were (are) in business!

I don't decry Fiberglass there are some great boats built in plastic, but it is not the panacea of boat building materials! When it comes to strength it cant (easily) match wood or steel.
 
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"if they had fibreglass in 1925 what would they have built boats in"

Fiberglass, of coarse they would, as previously stated, it's a cheaper process and they were (are) in business!

I don't decry Fiberglass there are some great boats built in plastic, but it is not the panacea of boat building materials! When it comes to strength it cant (easily) match wood or steel.

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Actually Tom, GRP boats can be built to match the strength of both wood and steel, Martin Heard of Gaffers and Luggers does just that. Personally, I don't think that there is anything wrong with GRP, other than on a personal level, I don't like working with the stuff! It's just too YUK POOHY for words! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

A few years ago now, I has one of Martin Heards Toshers, she was a fantastic boat, had a racing rig on her and she could really get up an go, the layup in her hull was unbelievably strong, I reckon you could have welted her hull with a sledge hammer, and all you would have achieved would have been a bit of chipped gelcoat. Gawd! the number of times that I have regretted selling that boat...............
 
In that case, yes, I have to admit to being a first class TWONK!...............










But at least I had the style to be First Class! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif





Now bugger off ya POOF! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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So your saying boat builders use plastic because it is better................... (cut)

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No, I didn't say that - or imply it, or even think it! GRP offers a number of benefits including low maintenance, better ability to form double curves than solid wood (cold moulding will produce double curves well in wood) and low production cost with high repeatability. But I agree it is not a "living material" like wood. As to "better" that depends entirely on the criteria you choose to judge it by.

However, I, personally would never have a wooden boat in preference to a GRP one. Mainly because I prefer sailing to boatbuilding - but that's just my preference. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif However, I would rather look at a wooden boat than a plastic one! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
My boat is wood,i dont know what it is about her but she seems alive,my other half seems to think so too,we never had this feeling with the plastic boats we have owned,as to maintaining her we haul her out in january and do what ever needs to be done,which usually is not much and put her back in in april,i dont think i would go back to plastic as they have there problems which can be expensive to put right.all in MHO.
 
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My boat is wood,i dont know what it is about her but she seems alive,my other half seems to think so too,we never had this feeling with the plastic boats we have owned,as to maintaining her we haul her out in january and do what ever needs to be done,which usually is not much and put her back in in april,i dont think i would go back to plastic as they have there problems which can be expensive to put right.all in MHO.

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Firstly, stop having humble opinions! There are way too many Urieh (spelling) Heaps on these forums as it is all with their IMHO's! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Secondly, yes! I know exactly what you mean, and those that haven't got a clue what you mean will all think that you are just a sad git or stark staring bonkers! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif So I don't know what that makes me? A sad old git or a sandwitch short of a picnic? Anyway, I am sure there are many on here who will let me know! Those that prefer plastic boats will often say things as Sea Rush did, got no soul see, and none of the skills to look after a wooden boat.

To be honest, why his plastic tub is called "Sea Rush" I haven't a clue, never seen a Westerly Pentland rush anywhere, still, if it did, the poor old goat would probably have a fit of the vapers! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I saw in your bio, that you have a 5 ton cutter?, what is she? Pics?

Charlie.
 
I would say you can join if :-

i) Your craft has woodworm, rot, or has sunk due to such.
or
ii) You wear black wellies with the tops turned over
or
iii) You wear wellies that were black & have been painted white or yellow
or
iv) You wear a reefer jacket & smoke non-stop whilst aboard (unless craft sunk in which case you look out over the water with a distant look in your eyes) ....

So, with the correct attire you should be ok with your post-classic beauty.

Me, I fall under catagories ii) & iv) I'm afraid.
 
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I would say you can join if :-

i) Your craft has woodworm, rot, or has sunk due to such.
or
ii) You wear black wellies with the tops turned over
or
iii) You wear wellies that were black & have been painted white or yellow
or
iv) You wear a reefer jacket & smoke non-stop whilst aboard (unless craft sunk in which case you look out over the water with a distant look in your eyes) ....

So, with the correct attire you should be ok with your post-classic beauty.

Me, I fall under catagories ii) & iv) I'm afraid.

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Hey Compo!!......How ya doin' mate! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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