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Re: Youth out of control

I also teach, but mostly private students and managers. I did try to teach a class of 16-year olds who had failed every exam in school and were dumped in a last chance establishment in order to get something before being thrown on the hopelist list. It was a nightmare and I gave up after a month. They were loud, violent and antisocial in a way you could not imagine. I had nightmares thinking about having to go in there again. Glad I'm out of there.
 
Re: Youth out of control

Indeed. At University, we very occasionally get people wanting to carry on a private conversation during a lecture. Then they are simply invited to leave and let the others concentrate. The difference is that they are there by choice, doing the course by choice and getting out of bed to come to the lecture by choice. It is still regarded as a privilege to be able to be there.

In schools and in much 'yoof-work activity' if kids are required to be there, they don't see someone making an effort to provide them with opportunities, they see a pointless activity organised by someone over whom they have control. Their parents have the same attitudes; knowing their rights but not their responsibilities, and were supported by the state to reproduce equally unmotivated and therefore useless brats.

Any prospect of it improving until education is regarded as a privilege and opportunity ? Ha!

The contrast with the attitude of parents and kids in poorer countries is enough to make you weep. Here parents make enormous sacrifices to educate their children; sometimes literally choosing not to eat today so that they can pay school fees. Something is fundamentally wrong with British education.
 
Re: Lets not paint too black a picture.

My kids go to a state school that draws kids from a wide range of social backgrounds and does a pretty good job IMHO. My wife works as a volunteer so I am not just taking the kids word for it!

I know that there are SOME schools with serious problems but lets keep it all in perspective.

I strongly agree with your" knowing their rights but not their responsibilities" comment. If that attitude could be changed an enormous number of diverse social problems could be overcome.
 
Re: Youth out of control

Bring back the cane. If that doesn't work the birch.

Employ an ex-service PTI or Senior NCO to wield it in front of the whole school. If he can draw blood with accurate aims hitting the same spot on the bottom, so much the better.
 
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Bring back the cane. If that doesn't work the birch.

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Not sure if that was serious or a wind-up. But if I take it seriously.....

NO! The difference between interested, lively, demanding kids and a disruptive rabble is motivation not threats. Kids who want to learn because they see education as an opportunity to further themselves or just out of sheer interest are a joy to teach. Beating them just teaches them to beat others.

I would simply say, if you don't want to be here and can't accept high standards of behaviour then goodbye!
 
Re: Youth out of control

After the success of their Speed Ban in the Lakes the LDNPA are now moving forward with more universally popular policies.

They will be trying to ban teenagers now.

Although from the tone of this thread they might have now struck a chord.
 
Re: Youth out of control

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I would simply say, if you don't want to be here and can't accept high standards of behaviour then goodbye!


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Yer right, you try expelling a child or should I use the more PC term of "excluding"
Parents would be down to the school armed with the local press and the end result would be "take the little swine back" supported by the LEA and anyone else willing to jump on the band wagon.
My wife teaches and this problem starts long before they even start school half the time. Most of the problems stem from parents that are only to willing to pass over control of their child’s discipline to schools but then jump up and down when the school does discipline their little angel.
It’s an unfortunate fact of life but Mr & Mrs Average cannot or will not accept that their little treasure is a foul-mouthed, un-controllable gobby little sod with little respect for anyone else or their property. What they are though, is an expert on “Their Rights” and are quite willing to make un-founded accusations against teaching staff in the FULL knowledge that it will cause untold harm without them ever getting so much as minor ticking off.

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Re: Youth out of control

I love reading this sort of stuff; it reminds me why I am in the process of leaving a "stable" country (again) for a life on the ocean wave.
 
Re: Youth out of control

exactly! That is where (IMHO) the problem lies. We must support the schools in requiring decent standards of behaviour from kids and their parents.

When I get a project student to work in my lab as part of their degree, I always say something along the lines of 'I promise I will match your enthusiasm and help you as much as I can, but equally I promise I will never come looking for you if you don't turn-up and I will never chase you to deliver results. You can get a really great project out of this if you want it and are prepared to work for it, if you don't you will make my day and I will get on with other things!'

I can still (just) get away with that in the University system, why can't school teachers be supported by the system to demand the same?
 
Yes she was wrong, but she was also wronged. The family had rights that were denied, although they repeatedly sought police help, they were unsupported. The value of her house would have been adversely affected, and running away was probably impossible. Mrs Blair makes an enviable living prosecuting less meritorious Human Rights Act claims, and for Blair not to have some sympathy with her situation would be hypocritical.

You say "She should have known better" What action should she have taken?
 
Re: Airguns (non boaty) gjeffery

She has a right of quiet enjoyment of her property and life. There are limited circumstances where you can take the law into you own hands and if you do and are in the wrong, must take the consequences.

There are plenty of laws the police could have used. In her position I would ask for police action and if I did not receive sufficent help to resolve the situation, complain through the system, until I did.
 
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