advice on putting a water supply into a wee boat & hurricane lanterns

[steve yates]

Its my 18.5 ft bradwell 18. It has a small galley, with 2 burner gas stove (which Im seriously thinking of ditching gas and having 2 trangia burners in that space) and a little sink and tap, but there is no water anywhere. The sink has a hose going down under the vee berths, but attached to nowt.

Under the companionway step I notice there is quite a large space below the cockpit floor, which puts it bang on the centreline of the boat. So I'm wondering about putting a flexible water container in there of some description and connecting that to the sink somehow with some kind of pump in between? Im no plumber (nor much of a handyman in truth )but I'll have a go.

Just wondering if anyone has done something similar, or has any advice or tips on things to lookout for or on methods of pumping or good pump suppliers?

Re hurricane lamp, I found this under a berth, I like the look of it any ideas on how to clean it up? Or are old knackered things like this just going to burn the boat down?
pics below

 

[sailorman]

in our Silhouette 2 we had water a carrier & the hose passed through the screw top, spare carriers can be stowed where best for trim.
the galley pump was a simple whale galley pump
flexi tanks are liable to be problematic

 

[steve yates]

that sounds quite a simple solution, I like it

ok, only pic came up, the other two saying i am over my quota, but I cant find anywhere in my profile to manage pics??

 

[sailorman]

that sounds quite a simple solution, I like it

ok, only pic came up, the other two saying i am over my quota, but I cant find anywhere in my profile to manage pics??

use photobucket, upload pix there & right click on uploaded pix, "copy pix location"
then in your post add with sq brackets
{img}paste location{/img}

 

[sailorman]

simple pump
http://www.whalepumps.com/marine/pr...D=10025&FriendlyID=Whale-V-Pump-hand-operated

 

[aquaplane]

Carousel has 2X10l water carriers wedged into the gap between the keel box and the berth which goes under the galley area. A hand pump delivers the water.

We mainly use recycled 5l ASDA water bottles until the plastic handle falls off, or 4Pt milk bottles.

A hurricane lantern is good on a boat without electricity. It's a nice warm light and better than a head torch which only shines where you look. It also produces a surprising amount of heat in a little boat, not enough for the winter but it can make autumn evenings comfortable for reading especially with a decent sleeping bag. You can end up with a sooty bit on the deck head if you don't keep the flame low.

 

[sailorman]

Carousel has 2X10l water carriers wedged into the gap between the keel box and the berth which goes under the galley area. A hand pump delivers the water.

We mainly use recycled 5l ASDA water bottles until the plastic handle falls off, or 4Pt milk bottles.

A hurricane lantern is good on a boat without electricity. It's a nice warm light and better than a head torch which only shines where you look. It also produces a surprising amount of heat in a little boat, not enough for the winter but it can make autumn evenings comfortable for reading especially with a decent sleeping bag. You can end up with a sooty bit on the deck head if you don't keep the flame low.

a Carbon monoxide monitor would be a good idea

 

[VicS]

Its my 18.5 ft bradwell 18. It has a small galley, with 2 burner gas stove (which Im seriously thinking of ditching gas and having 2 trangia burners in that space) and a little sink and tap, but there is no water anywhere. The sink has a hose going down under the vee berths, but attached to nowt.

Under the companionway step I notice there is quite a large space below the cockpit floor, which puts it bang on the centreline of the boat. So I'm wondering about putting a flexible water container in there of some description and connecting that to the sink somehow with some kind of pump in between? Im no plumber (nor much of a handyman in truth )but I'll have a go.

Just wondering if anyone has done something similar, or has any advice or tips on things to lookout for or on methods of pumping or good pump suppliers?

Re hurricane lamp, I found this under a berth, I like the look of it any ideas on how to clean it up? Or are old knackered things like this just going to burn the boat down?
pics below

The little whale pump you haveon the side of the sink will pump water up from a container. I have one that pumps from a very small flexible tank in the bow.

The pump sailorman shows in #5 is the latest version, The fecking things leak except when absolutely brand spanking new. No problem if the water leaks into the sink though. Spares are available for the later ones but not the earlier ones. The new ones will fit the old type base so no alteration necessary to fit a new one if the old one is knackered

You choice whether to connect the sink drain to an outlet in the hull ( mine is, straight down below it) or via a small hand pump to an outlet above the wl or into a waste collecting container.

Keep the huricane lamp for emergencies if you wish but other wise get an LED anchor light............ you can get hurricane lamp style ones but I don't know if they conform to the regs regarding visible range...... probably not.
The paraffin ones blow out in any perceptible wind above a flat calm.

LPG twin burner and grill is my choice for a stove! No other ever considered!


To delete old pictures go to settings ( top RH corner) then "attachments " at the bottom of the LH menu. Select the ones you want to delete and scroll down and delete the selected ones.


THEN set u a pPhotobucket account and use that

Then just click the "img" link in Photo bucket, to auto copy it, and then paste in to your post where wanted . No need to feck about with sqaure brackets ... it does it all for you.

 

[MoodySabre]

Its my 18.5 ft bradwell 18. It has a small galley, with 2 burner gas stove (which Im seriously thinking of ditching gas and having 2 trangia burners in that space) and a little sink and tap, but there is no water anywhere. The sink has a hose going down under the vee berths, but attached to nowt.

Under the companionway step I notice there is quite a large space below the cockpit floor, which puts it bang on the centreline of the boat. So I'm wondering about putting a flexible water container in there of some description and connecting that to the sink somehow with some kind of pump in between? Im no plumber (nor much of a handyman in truth )but I'll have a go.

Just wondering if anyone has done something similar, or has any advice or tips on things to lookout for or on methods of pumping or good pump suppliers?

Re hurricane lamp, I found this under a berth, I like the look of it any ideas on how to clean it up? Or are old knackered things like this just going to burn the boat down?
pics below
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The "tap" in your photo is a pump, like the Whale type. Put the tube into a container (per Sailorman's post) and then just pump the blue top of the tap.

 

[Channel Sailor]

I used my old hurricane lamp a few nights ago as an anchor light, I think it was f3. It stayed lit until morning when the fuel ran out. It is the larger size of hurricane lamp, the smaller size ones I think blow out more easily. Because I don't have an installed filament or led anchor light on the boat then the paraffin lamp will have to do for now. Lot of Phaff with filling it and having paraffin on board. I did have an old miners paraffin lamp on a previous yacht as an anchor light and they never blew out in any wind that I recall. If limited electrical power available, say only an outboard as a generator, then I would either go for LED or paraffin lamp, not filament.

By the way, I do prefer anchor lights to be hung in the rigging at about 2 metres above deck. Not at the top of the mast. Reason being that when navigating in the dark in a busy place I could do without the clutter of all those anchor lights that can be seen from miles away. Also when moving though a busy anchorage to find a spot I think it is safer to if all the anchor lights are more at eye level as opposed to 15 to 20m above the water.

I did have a proper interior paraffin wall mounted lamp on a previous boat but it was pretty but rather dim and did start to put soot on the cabin lining that I had to scrub off. I would rather be sailing than scrubbing a roof lining. With the advent of led lights being available, even AAA battery ones, why would I want to bother with an interior paraffin lamp.

 

[PhillM]

I put a very small sink and whale 5 tap /pump in Paean. I ran a blue water hoise to a space under the bunk nearest the mast and as low as I could get it. my water tank is a 10L plastic bottle with a hole drilled through which the hose fits, plus a very small hole to let air in.

I only ever fill it 80% so it doesnt spill when we heel.

I still use 5L bottles for drinking water and cooking / kettle. but its nice to be able to wash hands and rinse out after washing up from a tap.

 

[Madeo]

Don't bother with the water Steve, just stick in another couple of bottles of Talisker...

 

[pmagowan]

Ditch the sink and pump. Carry a washing up bowl and a 5l bottle of water. Much more efficient and much less to go wrong. As for the gas it is the best system for a cooker but has a number of safety concerns that only you can decide whether to tolerate.

 

[steve yates]

Don't bother with the water Steve, just stick in another couple of bottles of Talisker...

Brian, your a bad bugger, get thee behind me satan (at least with talisker there will be no repeat of caroline's dinner party when I was on the blends)

I don't think I can be arsed ripping out the sink for a bowl, looks like more hassle than its worth. If the handle will pump straight from a container, I'm golden. Just need to decide what size and where to put it. Still puzzled about what happens when it goes down the plug though!

 

[VicS]

Still puzzled about what happens when it goes down the plug though!

Only you can figure that out. Its either plumed to an outlet or it has to be collected in waste water container. Unless it just goes into the bilges ... yuk! Personally I'd plumb it to an outlet in the hull if it isn't already

 

[LONG_KEELER]

I put a very small sink and whale 5 tap /pump in Paean. I ran a blue water hoise to a space under the bunk nearest the mast and as low as I could get it. my water tank is a 10L plastic bottle with a hole drilled through which the hose fits, plus a very small hole to let air in.

I only ever fill it 80% so it doesnt spill when we heel.

I still use 5L bottles for drinking water and cooking / kettle. but its nice to be able to wash hands and rinse out after washing up from a tap.

Like yourself and Sailorman.

If you keep the waste and fresh water containers the same size, miraculously , they both seem to need filling and emptying at roughly the same time. I also give them both a good squirt of the stuff you sterilize babies bottles and dummies . Cutlery and plates come out shining and
waste container smelling fresh.

Tesco bottles of water . Some drinks come out a bit funny when you accidentally use a carbonated water. As mentioned, extra water containers
can as movable ballast .

Used to have a petrol tilley type lamp but was always a bit wary of it. LED battery lamps are brilliant. They even do cheapo tea light battery ones
that I use as a night lamp . Cooker Origo with Bio Ethanol.

You will probably not pull any crumpet with this setup , neither did my Panther 600 single cylinder and double Watsonian sidecar , but you will
be a man at peace with the world.

 

[Seajet]

Steve,

my boat has a built in water tank, but after suffering contaminated water & severe tummy bug ages ago I tend to avoid harbour water supplies; I just use those large square bottles of mineral water, easy to keep an eye on the level remaining and I know it's fresh, OK, also avoids plumbing.

 

[pmagowan]

Brian, your a bad bugger, get thee behind me satan (at least with talisker there will be no repeat of caroline's dinner party when I was on the blends)

I don't think I can be arsed ripping out the sink for a bowl, looks like more hassle than its worth. If the handle will pump straight from a container, I'm golden. Just need to decide what size and where to put it. Still puzzled about what happens when it goes down the plug though!

I think you will find it a lot more hassle plumbing in a water tank and drainage. You will suffer contamination and leaks and never fully trust the water. 10 minutes will remove the sink and free up space. A worktop with drawer could be installed in 30 mins to 2 hours depending on level of skill and materials. Your 5l bottle of Tesco water will be nice and fresh every time you use it. The bowl will be plumbed into the drainage with a careful flick of the wrist out the hatch. I spent a lot of time trying to design a galley sink for my 28 foot boat which had a tank and plumbing and the simple solution to remove it all has been a very good one. The complexity required to pump water from a small tank to a built in bowl with drainage is enormous when the alternative is simply to pick the tank up and pour it in. The wasted space is valuable on a boat that size. The idea of plumbed in water is alluring but rather pointless for a small boat.

 

[steve yates]

Mmm, good points, particularly about the space. I will run with a water bottle for a while and see how it goes. Think this will need a bit of thinking about, and I should wait till I've used her for a bit before making any drastic decision.
Thanks.

 

[PhillM]

Re the plumbing in, I had to upgrade the cockpit drains to a larger size, so used the old one for the sink.

Agree with seajet re harbour water so I carry an empty 5l container and use that from a tsp or hose I trust. But I never do drink that water, it's thee for when it's more convieient to use a tap than a bottle.

Re the cooker, if your boat isn't setup fir gas, go origo and bi ethernal. Dead safe, easy, cheap etc.

I don't like Tilly lamps but love my oil lamps.