Advantages of Part One over SSR?

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Not that I can see. SSR is just as acceptable as a reg document to foreign authorities and if no finance is involved, what else do you want it for?

I don't believe that either doc provides irrefutable legal evidence of ownership any more than a car log book does.
 
Part 1 does show legal title, and any charges against the title for finance thus if selling it does show firstly that you own the boat and that there is no outstanding finance against it. It thus does tell you a bit more than a car registration document or SSR.

Unless you have a pretty good document trail getting part 1 on a secondhand boat may be difficult. SSR you just pay the mioney.
 
The only real difference is that it is a record of the beneficial ownership as to get the registration you need to submit evidence such as the Bill of Sale. However it is the Bill of Sale which provides the legal title. if the only requirement is a document to prove to foreign officials that the boat is registered in the UK then SSR does the job.
 
To get Part 1, you have to jump through a few hoops to prove ownership to the MCA so, whilst not absolute proof of ownership, it's as good as it gets. It also looks quite good at proving VAT Paid..... In my, (fathers), case, the MCA wanted to see bills of sale back to the dealer who sold her as new.
 
I jumped through all sorts of hoops, and spent a load of money to get Part 1 registration, which was supposed to be for all time. Then "They" changed the rules, and now it only lasts for four or five years. I call that theft and fraud. But of course it's a government department.....:mad:
 
NormanS said:
I jumped through all sorts of hoops, and spent a load of money to get Part 1 registration, which was supposed to be for all time. Then "They" changed the rules, and now it only lasts for four or five years. I call that theft and fraud. But of course it's a government department.....:mad:
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Yes, part one Guernsey is the way to go. You still get a nice Blue Book with a written record of ownership, which goes a long way to impress at sale time.
I don't know what it costs, maybe 300/400 quid and 75 at change of ownership, in other words a tiny amount in respect of a new boat.
It lasts the life of the boat - now. I understand they have changes in train, so for the future who knows, I guess they have politicians in the CI's as well
 
yep, guensey implies some tax summink.

I have ssr and trundle around various foreign places no problem at all. 25 quid. I think p1 quite a bit more for no obvous benefit.

Actually, i have sometimes thought of registering the boat in Mondrovia. This is one of the newer entrants to the EU, and costs nothing at all to register, and you print up and laminate your own bit of cardboard. Mondrovia doesn't exist, but does it make a difference, really?
 
I think for SSR you have to be resident in the UK but not necessarily British. Where as for part one you just have to be some kind of British Citizen, but not necesssarily resident.

Or some thing like that.
 
The Part1 Registration document has been superceded by a laminated piece of card that MCA now issue. I still retained my blue book and all the paperwork. Imperial measurements and all !

ianat182
 
Does Part 1 avoid having silly little numbers painted on the outside of your boat? (My old boat was originally Part 2 registered which required even bigger numbers!)
 
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TamarMike said:
Does Part 1 avoid having silly little numbers painted on the outside of your boat? (My old boat was originally Part 2 registered which required even bigger numbers!)
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Yes, but you have to carve your Official Number into the main transverse beam. However on the new fangled plastic boats you are allowed a carved board provided it is permanently attached to a major structural member such as the main bulkhead.
 
Ownership Observations of Part I and Bill Of Sale

ianat182 said:
The Part1 Registration document has been superceded by a laminated piece of card that MCA now issue. I still retained my blue book and all the paperwork. Imperial measurements and all !

ianat182
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Great thanks for that I have the new laminated piece of card. I was beginning to wonder where my blue book was. They managed to issue my Pt I Registration Certificate initially with the expire date before the issue date. What a load of tw$ts. Anyway they sorted it out and sent me the corrected document.

On the Certificate my name and address is listed under the section titled "Name and Address of Owner(s)", however it states under the Section "Important Information" that a "Certificate of Registry is not proof of ownership".

The Bill of Sale, Department of Transport Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Form 4705 Rev 9/02) is the only document that I have which states that I am the owner and that the previous owners have have transferred the ownership (or part of) "free from encumbrances". This supports the comments made by a previous poster Tranona.

My assumption is that this does mean that I am the legal owner.
 
So to sum up (as Richard 10002 wisely said) it is as good as it gets and considerably better than the SSR.
If you have a MAB or an average AWB go for the cheap alternative. If you are buying a new and expensive boat you would be a right mug not to have it part 1 registered.
The Blue Book has not be discontinued and Guernsey (and as far as I know Jersey) will sort one out for you.
 
doug748 said:
If you are buying a new and expensive boat you would be a right mug not to have it part 1 registered.
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Why should it be any difference with an "expensive" boat? The legal trail of ownership is through the Bills of Sale. All the registration provides is a record of this. The only advantage of Part 1 registration is to allow charges such as finance house interests to be registered against the boat which makes sale without discharging more difficult. However there is no compulsion to register a charge nor any compulsion to notify the registrar of any changes so the record is only as good as the information provided by the person responsible (usually the owner). The other part of registration which is establishing the Tonnage is again of little use as yachts are not subject to Tonnage related charges in the UK. That is not true in many other countries so the SSR has a record of Tonnage, but it is not verified so most are guesses - but satisfy foreign authorities because they are on an official document!
 
doug748 said:
Yes, part one Guernsey is the way to go. You still get a nice Blue Book with a written record of ownership, which goes a long way to impress at sale time.
I don't know what it costs, maybe 300/400 quid and 75 at change of ownership, in other words a tiny amount in respect of a new boat.
It lasts the life of the boat - now. I understand they have changes in train, so for the future who knows, I guess they have politicians in the CI's as well
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very proud of my blue book Guernsey, but then, I live here...! Prices as quoted above are accurate, I found the local registry very helpful in fillling in all the details. A friend carved me the board for the details and very nice it is too, attached to the structural cross beam. I had to drill out the cross heads on the screws and fill with epoxy to fulfil the criteria to ensure it was not 'liftable'!
(and we do have politicians here...nuff said)
 
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