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SamanthaTabs said:
Huh? 100% disagree with this and every other comment you've submitted on this thread. Happily in the, at least, 90%+ live a boards who've got it right then..
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And lets talk about draft.
Excluding twin keelers, ( the op wants to sail the med) the average draft of a modern fin keeler is in or about 5', so all those beautiful river moorings are out of reach.........you end up being stuck in marinas or anchored out in deep water where it's rough all the time.
 
JamesFrance said:
Rather like traditional southern houses with small windows to keep the hot sun out.

Sail boats use far less fuel when motoring at displacement speeds, can raise a sail to stop rolling under power and raise the other one to get you somewhere when the motor breaks down.(which it or they will sooner or later)
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That's another problem with sailboats, they never use or maintain the engine, so every 10 years they have replace it at vast cost (£7k at least), whereas mobo's do yearly maintenance.

.....And small windows also keep the stifling heat inside the boat.
 
Try making a cup of tea when you're 65.........

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That isn't mandatory, you know. Our boat is designed to sail best at around 12 degrees of heel. Not short of light inside either...
 

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rustybarge said:
That's another problem with sailboats, they never use or maintain the engine, so every 10 years they have replace it at vast cost (£7k at least), whereas mobo's do yearly maintenance.

.....And small windows also keep the stifling heat inside the boat.
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Haha, I get it now. Nice wind up, so we all potter around in incredibly amazing racing boats; none of us know how or bother to service engines and everything else regularly and as for finding beautiful bays to anchor in?? Wow, there's hundreds of us on here who are obviously to stupid to live our cruising lives...
 
rustybarge said:
Try making a cup of tea when you're 65.........
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What absolute tosh. That extreme angle of heel is just not cruising.

I'm 78 and don't drink tea but I'll make coffee when on the wind. Below is a recent typical snap going to windward with 18 knots of wind and 5.7 knots SOG. I use an average 100 litres of diesel a year and tour a lot of the Adriatic, sometimes down to the Ionian.

You sir, are a troll.

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Barnac1e said:
What absolute tosh. That extreme angle of heel is just not cruising.

I'm 78 and don't drink tea but I'll make coffee when on the wind. Below is a recent typical snap going to windward with 18 knots of wind and 5.7 knots SOG. I use an average 100 litres of diesel a year and tour a lot of the Adriatic, sometimes down to the Ionian.

You sir, are a troll.

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Just guessing that's a motor-sailor, the reason it doesn't heel is because it can only tack through 80deg.......(or more)
SOG.....1 kt to windward!
 
SamanthaTabs said:
Haha, I get it now. Nice wind up, so we all potter around in incredibly amazing racing boats; none of us know how or bother to service engines and everything else regularly and as for finding beautiful bays to anchor in?? Wow, there's hundreds of us on here who are obviously to stupid to live our cruising lives...
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Nearly all the threads on the saily forum are: "Replacing saildrive, is £7k expensive?"
Nb: small diesels can't be rebuilt, they have no cylinder liners,
 
rustybarge said:
Nearly all the threads on the saily forum are: "Replacing saildrive, is £7k expensive?"
Nb: small diesels can't be rebuilt, they have no cylinder liners,
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No reason for engine repairs on a sail boat to be significantly more expensive than on a mobo - and, if you sail it, the engine should last a lot longer.
 
Originally Posted by rustybarge
High coachroof=high windage= bad windward performance.........
Once again demonstrating your ignorance in these matters.
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You may have noticed that a lot of modern Mobo's have big windows down low in the topsides just above the waterline, no problem because they don't heel, and that gives lots and lots of light for the interiors.

But it's not possible in a sailboat because when you are heeled over all the water would come trough the windows.
So sailboats have to put big windows high above the waterline at deck level, and that means raising the profile of the boat and causing windage, which will cause lots of leeway and bad upwind performance.
 
maby said:
No reason for engine repairs on a sail boat to be significantly more expensive than on a mobo - and, if you sail it, the engine should last a lot longer.
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Most saildrives die from lack of use........corrosion in the bores.
 
maby said:
Pretty much the same as would happen if it were a mobo, you know.
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Most planing hulls have have chines at the bow, also know as knuckles, to push the spray from waves out and away from the hull so that water won't hit the windscreen, and because the hull is travelling at 20 kts it tends to skip over the waves rather than through them.
 
rustybarge said:
The Op states he's retiring next year, so he's about 65 or there abouts. Hauling up and down sails takes quite a lot of effort.
Totally agree with your analysis if your'e sailing the trades, downwind the whole way, or nearly.
But try that in the Med, where the wind keeps on changing it's mind every ten minutes.
If you read the blogs of med based sailers they generally say they motor 80% of the time.

And Mrs OP, will she like been heeled over unable to make a cup of tea?
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We not sailing the trades we in the med .

www.bluewatersailor5.webs.com
 
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