A vision of Paradise?

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If the recent Dufour and Beneteau fast cruisers have caused some old fogies to spill their G&Ts in shock, I should warn you this “fast cruiser” appearing in Yachting World this month will probably fuse your pace maker ……

A scow bow, foil assisted cruiser ….. Page - SKAW SAILING

PS. If you have not been following French open offshore racing classes, you may not realise that the rounded scow bow has been proving very fast in offshore racing, and the squarer hull shape can give better direction stability than traditional narrow bow and wide stern shapes
 
Well it's certainly different, and you can't argue with the speed, but the looks will take a while to accustom to.
 
Looks great! The scow also gives more stability than a conventional shape of the same length. But it does seem to need either foils or a csnting keel to avoid meeting seas head on while upright - historically scows were inland water boats.
 
ProDave said:
Is this just a concept or has one been built? I was looking forward to a video of one sailing, nope that is not there. And some specs, like just how fast do the predict it will be? Nope nothing there either.

So just a dream at the moment?
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Some successful mini Transat boats have been built with this hull form but the Paradise design does look like a concept at the moment.
 
MisterBaxter said:
Looks great! The scow also gives more stability than a conventional shape of the same length. But it does seem to need either foils or a csnting keel to avoid meeting seas head on while upright - historically scows were inland water boats.
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The article in Yachting World commented how the Open 40s with this shape of bow coped well with bashing upwind out of the Solent and to Lands End in the Fastnet Race.
 
ProDave said:
Is this just a concept or has one been built? I was looking forward to a video of one sailing, nope that is not there. And some specs, like just how fast do the predict it will be? Nope nothing there either.

So just a dream at the moment?
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The boats in the YW article were mostly boat announcements rather than built boats at this stage.
But some smaller scow bow cruisers already exist - eg MOJITO 650 - Cruising sailboat by Idbmarine | NauticExpo
I think I saw one of these at La Rochelle when there (they have lots of the race versions there, but also saw at least one scow bow cruiser). And they are apparently now launching a bigger version the Mojito 30

And it is difficult to dismiss the experienced VPLP - currently still a concept but they tend to be very influential - Fast Cruising Scow - VPLP Design

And in a differnt size and price league, but this foil assisted Baltic 111 shows that some like to push the envelope away from 1970s designs … https://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/news/baltic-111-raven-sailing-yacht-sea-trials
 
dunedin said:
The article in Yachting World commented how the Open 40s with this shape of bow coped well with bashing upwind out of the Solent and to Lands End in the Fastnet Race.
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Yes - the shape seems to work well for boats that are very light, so that when heeled the rest of the bow is up clear of the waves; and with good control over angle of heel, which I think in light wind and short chop might need a big rig.
 
ProDave said:
Is this just a concept or has one been built? I was looking forward to a video of one sailing, nope that is not there. And some specs, like just how fast do the predict it will be? Nope nothing there either.

So just a dream at the moment?
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I think so, an idea looking for a customer.

Here is something along the same lines, you can buy now:


Though it looks like an £150K outlay. 😐

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dunedin said:
If the recent Dufour and Beneteau fast cruisers have caused some old fogies to spill their G&Ts in shock, I should warn you this “fast cruiser” appearing in Yachting World this month will probably fuse your pace maker ……

A scow bow, foil assisted cruiser ….. Page - SKAW SAILING

PS. If you have not been following French open offshore racing classes, you may not realise that the rounded scow bow has been proving very fast in offshore racing, and the squarer hull shape can give better direction stability than traditional narrow bow and wide stern shapes
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D-day landing craft to a similar concept had a functional beauty to them. Those Skaw things look like a worn down bar of soap.
 
doug748 said:
I think so, an idea looking for a customer.

Here is something along the same lines, you can buy now:


Though it looks like an £150K outlay. 😐

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He marvels at standing room in a 24ft boat, large open saloon, heads compartment, and double aft bunk under the cockpit.

That just about describes our HH23.

They seem to be pushing the glass roof things as being a feature of the scow bow, no reason you could not do that to any hull shape if you wanted to.

I thought the advantage was a faster boat, not much mention of that.

Interesting none the less.
 
The scow bow turned up in the Mini Transat 6.50s. The length limitation ( class rules have a looong history of skewing design) made designers come up with ideas to beat the rules.
It tends to be a down wind race.
 
Just looked at the link...
Good luck to them, but I have doubts abot the flood of customers queuing up to buy such an odd conception.
Plus, the water line beam looks quite narrow compared with the full beam. So, needs to heel a bit to stiffen up? Foils are great for stability, but less so when parking (which is where most people will spend their time?)
 
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