A Toilet for £4000?

Glad the boat came with one cos i would never buy one at the price. But it is really nice having a proper bog onboard instead of a piece of plastic. :cool:
 
john_morris_uk said:
I think you'll find yourself out of synch with a lot of people arguing that line. DZR is accepted by many many people as being suitable below the waterline. Are you also suggesting that every boat with cast iron ballast or keels is sub standard? You'll upset a lot of people making that claim as well.
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No, I'm just saying that changing proven product, with price of 200, to another material (which may cost them just a couple pounds less) is illogical to me. So what am I, as customer, expected to pay 200 for?

So you think brass is the same and equal material - well, I have another opinion. And some reasons for it. Would the bronze be 10 times more price I might think again, but the price is almost the same, so why should I go for anything other than bronze which I trust?
You may see different - You pays your moneys...

Yup, bought new DZR ball valves for 20, screw-ons, for engine and cockpit. Couldn't find bronze in UK. Can replace any time easily. Already I got bronze replacements for smaller ones - available here and even cheaper than DZR...
But decided not to replace old blakes (being forward I want proper kind) - will get new bronzes later on. In fact I can go to a shop close by with Blake in hand and they will make me a copy, in bronze, for some 40 or so. This is no space tech.

Same goes for boat with lead ballast or iron, for instance. Not that iron is lower standard - ballast is designed some particular way for a reason. Do you think lead was used for better looks or such? ;)
For instance smaller drag with same weight. Some people wanted to win races.
Nothing wrong with another kind, made of cheaper material - but then for cheaper price! Iron rusts, it is a problem and cost later on, ain't it?

And we are talking here about toilet priced as if made of gold and silver. Probably would be possible to make it in silver for less :p
 
Rossynant said:
So you think brass is the same and equal material - well, I have another opinion.
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That's not what I said. And just because there's 'brass' in the name doesn't mean that DZR isn't a material suitable for the job. As I said before, you are out of sync (and just getting stroppy) with most everyone else on this subject for not a lot of good reason..

It makes as much sense as saying that stainless steel is still 'steel' because its got 'steel' in the name.

DZR is a very different material to plain brass and that is why it is used extensively underwater in many countries round the world.
 
Conachair said:
Glad the boat came with one cos i would never buy one at the price. But it is really nice having a proper bog onboard instead of a piece of plastic. :cool:
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Good job that Jabsco loos are china with painted wooden seats then or everyone would be feeling seen off and inferior..... ;)

(And yes I know that the pump is plastic - but then half of the space shuttle was plastic as well... and my post is only tongue in cheek as I hope people realise.)
 
Plastimo - part number 12325. Lightest head on the market, AIUI. Popular for racing boats where a head is required by the rules - frequently a boat rule that the head never used - bucket & chuck it instead.
 
john_morris_uk said:
Hmm I'm still trying to work out who makes plastic loos?
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Mine is plastic. Costs about 2 quid:

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Keen_Ed said:
Plastimo - part number 12325. Lightest head on the market, AIUI. Popular for racing boats where a head is required by the rules - frequently a boat rule that the head never used - bucket & chuck it instead.
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Ooh I thought Plastimo had gone out of business. Not seen many boats with them fitted either. Its not the lightest as I have been on a boat with a carbon fibre head - see below.

TimBennet said:
http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/tecma/carbon-marine-toilets-22256-52992.html
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Yes I was aware of this one but I wasn't calling it plastic.

This thread seems to be attracting people who want to be smug about their loos.

Or have some sort of inverse smuggery attack. If I suggested a bucket to my wife I would be sailing alone and why would I want that?

Scuttlebutt used to be full of those who proclaimed that nothing less than a Lavac would cut the mustard and even they admitted Lavacs were pricy.

My original post about the insane price of £4k or £10k for a toilet is still at the top of my mind. And for those who make comments about their loos I suppose its human nature to always try and justify what you have chosen.
 
I spent some time, a few years ago, on a racing trimaran which had been handbuilt by its owner. While being shown over during my first visit, the proud owner indicated a neat shiny-white sea toilet and asked "What do you think that weighs?"

Just a little nonplussed at the question and not being at all expert on the sea toilet genera, I hazarded "Maybe 10-15 kilos?" "Nope," came the reply, "More like less than 2...." I blinked, aware I was missing something. "It's all carbon fibre," he explained proudly. "I had some left over from building the mast. Made it myself. What do you think? Neat, eh?" I readily agreed, now convinced more than ever that I was in the company of one of those 'sawn-in-half toothbrush' racing types, who weighs each crewmember's kitbag like a RyanAir checkin accountant, and asks guests to leave their watches, phones and washbags behind, as "we have one on the boat and that's enough...."


Edit: Oops! Just spotted JM's post above, but wasn't plaguarising. My friend's posh bog was hand-built, in traditional style, as a near-exact copy of a little Jabsco....
 
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As you state, de-zincafication RESISTANT not NON de-zincification! It will corrode away.
Just the same as Stainless steel is stain resistant, not stain free.
No DZR fiitngs below my waterline, old blakes for me or stateside ones, made of proper bronze, ie. No zinc in them.
As for 4k for a toilet!! Nah I think not.
By the way, rich people dont buy baby blakes, they have leccy/vacumn/proper flushing toilets in their superyachts.
 
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john_morris_uk said:
This thread seems to be attracting people who want to be smug about their loos.


My original post about the insane price of £4k or £10k for a toilet is still at the top of my mind. And for those who make comments about their loos I suppose its human nature to always try and justify what you have chosen.
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No smuggery or choice justification here, we inherited the Baby Blake when we bought the boat - why would we change it for anything else whilst it functions perfectly well.
 
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