A Tarquin Denial Traderism - Ocean Deep Saga Story

Paul
I think that the problems that you are encountering with regards to the hull are probably due to the fact that, in stead of redesigning, they have taken the original well designed hull and stretched it; as a means of satisifying the demand for larger versions. The Signature versions are just the old hull design with a section "grafted" onto the stern.
Perhaps prospective new buyers should buy an older model and spend the difference in price on restoration and their own customisation. Thats assuming they would be happy with a 41 - 50ft boat. It will be interesting to see how the newly designed "next generation" turn out.

Tony
 
I have a looked at the cabling runs and the backs of furniture, drawers,etc on my boat for the last 2 years and I cant find what your are on about either, and its all sealed off and my cables are in trunking, and over sized for the capacity they need to carry, including the deration factor being housed it truncking, if anything its over enginered
 
Chris
I think your boat is a fine example of a Trader.

I believe that in those days the hulls were made overseas and rest finished off in the UK.

I frankly consider your boat a quality boat that has come through it first 26 years of life very well.

I do not know any other boat that can offer the space etc at that length and price.

This just makes it even more disappointing about Ocean Deep.
 
I am hoping that people do see the balance here.

The fact is I have a boat that has been and is terrible. The fact also is that not all Trader boats should be tarred with the same brush. I think Tarquin have pushed the boat out too far with the newer models but that is just my opinion. As i have already stated - it would be difficult to get a better value boat than the one Chris has.

I think the commonality with myself and other Trader owners is the very poor service provided by Tarquin. In my case, the combination of bad boat and terrible service has been the killer.

No matter what now - I will never sail in her again. I have no confidence in taking the boat out to sea.

There are some movements behind the scenes to settle the matter but, I fear, these may be delaying tactics. If they are, then my reaction will be swift.
 
ChuckADuck
I cannot say anything this early on much. There are things going on. I am just a suspicous of the process as I want the matter sorted now. I am giving it 24 hours to see how it pans out. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I had a Trader 41+2 in the 90s. It was the most wonderful boat when in the Marina but with a following sea it was horrendous. The boat actually BROACHED on 2 occasions, once with a profesional skipper on board! That was the most frightening Marine moment of my life! I sold it at once after that and have just bought a Mainship 430, much much better!!
 
There is someone in the local marina had the same experience. Not sure which model, but moved onto a Fairline and now a yacht.
 
Trader 44's, Trader 47,Trader 50 and a Signature model at Soton Boatshow a few years ago.
What I was trying to say was that they are not in the same league as Grand Banks, Fleming etc.
I would be interested to know Trader you could buy in 1991 for £247k, cos that is what my Fleming 53 cost then.
 
I was doing about 15Kts in a force 4 to 5 with a following sea in the med between Cassis and Baie de Ciotat, France in August
 
Did you really inspected the cable runs and backs of furniture on so many boats at a boat show? I don't remember ever seeing so many Traders at one exhibition, can you remember the exact year - perhaps it was the one year I didn't attend! Tarquin do not usually allow this type of inspection at shows. Did they give you special dispensation?
 
I'm beginning to wonder whether we should be questioning the ability of some owners and skippers and not the performance and quality of the boats. I have experienced Force 7 beam and following seas and the boat handles well and I have always felt safe in her. jimg seems to have it in for Traders I'm beginning to wander how much of what he says is based on fact. He states that he knows of someone who changed from a Trader to a Fairline! If he thinks that was a sensible move I can post a picture of a new Fairline, that's in our local marina, that will change his mind.
 
hmm, stop sniping


a friend who is an experienced skipper helped ( a greatly needed engineery hat this time ) on a delivery of a trader41 from Madeira to the UK & reported a great tendency for a sea behind the beam to pick up the stern & shove it sideways. Now he mentioned it in passing, months & months after the trip, which was err memorable for other reasons boat-related. But point being he's been around a lot of boats & found this one tended to do what it did. I guess in less experienced hands perhaps, it might sort-of be broaching?
 
I think some Traders have different hull shapes.
The 575 of mine is almost a planing hull with stablisers.

I have been through following seas OK in her - mind you not as much as the 18 foot wabves following in the Squadron.

So maybe we are talking here about different models with different hull shapes?

Basically best in a following sesa is a planing hull - best in a head sea a displacement hull. The SD hulls comes in so many different alternatives it almost varies from model to model.
 
Ok, then lets all stick to the facts.

My first boat was a Trader 41+2 the previous owner had it delivered by an "experienced skipper" to a marina on the Thames. The skipper managed to collide with Wandsworth bridge!!
 
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