A Small "Wipe down & Forget" Motorboat - Bayliner Trophy??

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A Small \"Wipe down & Forget\" Motorboat - Bayliner Trophy??

I followed a link from a recent thread and came up with this:-

Bayliner Trophy £8k

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This example is way too far off my beaten track, but I have kinda been thinking along these lines for next summer - initially a Fletcher 18. Largely an Engine with a boat attached.

However this Bayliner seems to tick a number of my "boxes" (particularly "Wipe down and forget" - as far as boats ever are! - to be used a dozen or so times a year and won't eat me out of house and home), however my experiances basically stop at 12 - 15 knots! and this is not the sort of boat I have previously paid much attention to. I am guessing that she is as Seaworthy as any other 20 footer of her design, but if folk tell me she is known to be a complete lemon, please say so!

I am aware that Bayliner have a "certain" reputation as mass produced boats and that build quality may not be up with Fairey Marine or Riva!, but having had a nose at a couple in a Marina they seem to me to be "as good as most". It's a cheap (ish) plastic boat! - any comments?

Also what sort of speeds would she likely to get Max and Cruising from 115 / 125 hp Outboard - I am guessing at 30 and 22/23??......I have also seen them with 90hp on the back.......

Just winter speculating at the moment, rather than wondering around with a checkbook...........
 
Re: A Small \"Wipe down & Forget\" Motorboat - Bayliner Trophy??

A few years ago Brunswick split off the Trophy line from Bayliner and made Trophy (alone) the brand name. These current Trophy boats are said to be improved over the old Bayliner Trophys. So I think the age of the boat would be of interest.

Kelly
 
Re: A Small \"Wipe down & Forget\" Motorboat - Bayliner Trophy??

Hi There,

I have a Trophy 2002 from 1994 with a 115 four stroke engine on her.

I get a cruising speed of 18-19knts at 4000 revs getting up to 24 knts at max revs but I think there may be more out of the engine if I change away from a composite prop that's on her.

We bought her in August last year and I've left her on the marina since I got her bottom epoxied in Sept and we've got a load of use out of her.

Last weekend I helped a friend replace his mooring buoy. - the open aft deck is very handy. And afterwards we just rinsed her down and walked away.

Our two year old daughter loves going up and around the very good ( compared to others of that type/price that we saw) sidedecks, and snoozes quite happily in the cuddy.

Regards,

Jason.
 
Re: A Small \"Wipe down & Forget\" Motorboat - Bayliner Trophy??

It sounds like I may have been a bit optimistic speed wise - not that I was especially looking to go at 30 knots!!

Although given my intended level of use fuel consumption is not an important factor - whilst you are here!.........any idea what sort of fuel consumption you get?? and what your range is? (I appreciate that with a 4 stroke it would be less than a 2 stroke, for me it may well come down to price / availability - but would prefer a 4 stroke).

Was the epoxy bottom just preventative? were you just doing some repairs anyway?

Without appearing to be too nosey, is this price ballpark from your researches last year?? and did you turn any others down for any particuler reasons?

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Re: A Small \"Wipe down & Forget\" Motorboat - Bayliner Trophy??

Hi,

I spoke to one owner who had a 175 2 stroke on the back and I think he was getting up to 40knts on a good day......

My Fuel consumption isn't a big deal with me either - most of my runs are of no more than 4-6 miles. The distance from where my mooring is to the mouth of the Harbour (Cork, Ireland) is four miles. Currently the boat is on a marina which is even closer to the mouth of the Harbour, so a run is usually no more than 20-30 mins before we get somewhere to stop and have a picnic/look at the birds/seals/dolphins/etc, etc.

I try to bring down a 15ltr petrol jerry-can each trip and top her up. She's been hovering around half a tank since August when I put 150 ltrs into her. According to the 1994 brochure from Bayliner she held 310 litres.

I'm not sure how much Petrol I've used and how many hours - I'm not sure I want to! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

When I bought her it was with the intention of having a low Maintanence boat with loads of deck space for Junior and that SHMBO would like the look of the boat (and the speed!). I wanted to have her in use as much as possible so i looked for a boat that hadn't been in the water much and so was a candidate for expoxying.

Boats I turned down had:
2 stoke engines (old ones)
Been in the water (rather than trailered)
No covers.
No Bimini/Canopy kit.
No Trailer.

If that price is for one with an old 2stroke, no Trailer, no covers and has been kept in the water a lot, early to mid nineties it's probably not a million miles away from the prices that I was seeing last year. There was one for sale on apolloduck.ie near the end of last year in Wexford for 12000 euro that had a 2stroke with a twin axle american trailer and I think she had covers. There was another one in northern Ireland that was for sale for 12000 Sterling at much the same condition, so there are interesting boats/prices out there from time to time.

There are certain funnies - that nav light in the middle of the windscreen and no bowroller but that's what the americans were doing then I guess. I'm going to fit a bowroller and a Wiper and I'm going to get a cover made (if possible) for the canopy. The canopy makes all the difference for those winter trips around the Harbour.

Video of the boat on a very nice October day

Jason.
 
Re: A Small \"Wipe down & Forget\" Motorboat - Bayliner Trophy??

I had a similar design 21ft walkround in 1997 and looked at all of these in detail.............

1. I think your estimates of speed were understated rather than over stated. I would easily expect 30 knots from the 125. Cruising speed is a bit of a misnomer for craft like this - most economical speed will be the lowest speed at which it is comfortably/cleanly planning (14 knots ish) but up to about 80% of max revs will still be on a similar mpg basis - then the engnine set up comes into play with 2 stroke carb engines bringing in the gas at an alarming rate for the next few horses, efi too. DFI and 4 strokes are significanlty less loaded to these last 20% but still worth avoiding the last 10%!

Carbs will consume 10gph/100hp flat out ie 12.5gph for a 125hp pedal to the metal. As highlighted above these are not linear in their consumption in the manner of most diesels - and a larger engine running at lower revs will often provbe more economical (excuding the initial purchase costs).
4 strokes and DFI 2 strokes will reduce the consumption by around 40% from the above rule of thumb.

The 2002 was a very nice boat and around 1996 they started using viynlyester resins and fancy 'no wood' hull layups - in fact Baylinner pioneered these through the Trophy range which were on eof their most important markets in the US where fast fishing craft were 'hammered' by the consumer and expected to hang together. Do not confuse trim quality (Bayliner was / is the lowest in the wide range of Brunswick marques) with build quality of the hull etc

I still have a walkround deck - and do not believe I will ever move away from one however large a craft I get.

Finally as an illustration of the first point my DellQuay660 topped out at 53 knots with a 175 Mercury.
 
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