A simple question

[Gludy]

Thank you one and all.

I now have no doubt it is a Mayday Relay.

Maybe I did not explain it well enough but I was imaginging see the crew with them signalling a Mayday by arms etc. So you are in effect relaying their Mayday anyway - it just so happened it was not made by radio.

With an empty boat or a boat that appears empty - then I suppose it would be the circumstances - are there any clues, any damage etc. In that situation I would probably not do a Mayday unless I really had reason to believe that someone was in it and had gone overboard - I would still contact the Coastguard and let them decide how to play it.

cheers
Paul



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[hlb]

What the hell does it matter what you shout out. "Help get your fat arses over here." Would do for me. There two boats. Close to each other. The bloody Life boat will see who wants rescueing when it gets there. Is there sumat else to worry about!!.../forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Haydn

 

[whisper]

"Crew signalling a Mayday by arms" Ah well, now you tell me !! Answer IS simple then innit. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
So, now then, what if you hadn't seen any people at all and had just come across a small but sinking cruiser. Does this become a Securite message, as all you are doing is reporting a hazard to navigation ?

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[adarcy]

Re: Have they changed the rules??

because in my day........

Mayday (or as it is here obviously (IMHO) Mayday Relay) IS for a sinking vessel

whereas danger to crew man overboard etc is a PanPan

we were advised most people confused the issue because they got so worried about the at-risk person but correctly PanPan for people Mayday for vessel

Have "they" officially changed it now?

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[rich]

Re: Have they changed the rules??

YES Man overboard is now MAYDAY>

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[Gludy]

A small sinking cruiser - as I said depends if there are any clues to someone having been on it. It could have drifted out or there could be folks in the water - so it at least deserves a call to the coast guard so that they can make the choice based on the information you supplied them.



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[AuntyRinum]

Re: Have they changed the rules??

"Have "they" officially changed it now?"

Yes, they changed it some time ago. Risk to life e.g. MOB is also now a Mayday.


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[gonfishing]

Re: A simple question -keep it simple?

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MAYDAY FENNEE ( with good intent ).


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This I think relates to a totally different scenario.
I.E When the Coastguaerd or Vessel reponding to a Mayday or Mayday relay Has called for Radio silencedue to too much Radio traffic or poor reception.
"Mayday Seelonce" It requests radio silence unless the call is of another Mayday nature,
This is usually followed by,
"Mayday prudonce" use the VHF only if you really have to.
And Finally,
"Mayday Fennee" so everyone can can carry on asking for a Radio check because the emergency is now clear!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That 's what it was 12 months ago!!!!

Julian

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[whisper]

Re: A simple question -keep it simple?

That's what it has been for the last 10yrs at least.

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[plombier]

Re: A simple question -keep it simple?

According to the 1979 Search & Rescue Convention the definition of distress is:

"Grave and Imminent Danger to a Person, Ship, Aircraft or Other Vehicle Requiring Immediate Assistance"

therefore, surely, a Mayday (Relay) should be called even if no persons on board.

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[TheBoatman]

Brian.

<<<you are delaring a mayday for a unkown vessel in a unknown danger, to unkown crew.>>>>>>

I thought in the original post the small boat was declared as sinking?

Just because you can't see the crew doesn't mean that there are none, they might be trying to stem the ingress of water or worse still be incapacitated.

The way I see it is you contact the CG either using the words Mayday OR Mayday Relay at the end of the day it really doesn't matter so long as it's done!

To fess up a little, I can often be found late at night talking to myself (no I'm not yet completely barking) what I am doing is practicing my simulated VHF procedure. I dream up a senario not unlike that posed by the original poster and practice what I would say, in what order and to whom.

I have found that there are a lot of boaters out there that are more than happy to speak to the local marina or ask the CG for a radio check but as soon as they find themselves having to talk to the CG, a Lifeboat or a helicopter in an emergency they go to pieces and start to babble, they seem so focused on what they have to say that they don't listen to what is being said to them.

So I practice and have found that over the years it has stood me in good stead.


Thats why I would issue a Mayday Relay?

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