A question of weight?

I don't travel all over the world looking at boats (mores the pity). I do boat up and down the Thames a bit. I may have been very unobservant but I know of only one cat cruiser as opposed to little things belting about behind/ahead of rower. It lives on a buoy between Teddington and Richmond and I've never seen it move.
 
I did not think this post had anything to do with marketing. I dont understand why people react so strongly. There are issues like weight that have an impact on both monos and cats. It effects real issues like fuel consumption. I get conflicting information from different sources. There are hundreds of different cats. As soon as I mention cats I am accused of marketing. By the same reasoning I guess I could accuse people of marketing every time they mention monos. Cats are just another type of boat. I thought it might give added dimension to discussons if there was another view.. I appreciated the constructive information provided in this thread but sadly it has been wrecked by the same people. As more cats are imported then there will be less of a problem me posting on the forum, but unfortuanately I have no control of that. I dont post that regularly and will take a break anyhow. Being accused of acting like Saddam Hussain affected my appetite for posting.
 
There is nothing wrong with you liking cats or indeed wanting to sell or promote them. Just be DIRECT, OPEN and UP FRONT about it. Nothing wrong with business, sales and marketing when done in the right place, at the right time. Give MBM some shillings for a few 1/2 page adds . Making posts designed to subliminally open our minds to cats is what is annoying some folk I guess. George Bush could be your best allie if his dumb policies keeps pushing up oil prices, but then we may all move back to sail, or displacement hulls (single, not ugly ducklings)
 
Victor - in my experience, every single post of yours I have read centres on Cats. You may well have posted on a whole raft ( /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ) of other subjects, but they only ones that I have seen have been about Cats.

It's tedious. You are extremely talented on the marketing front, being aware (as I'm sure you are) that there is no such thing as bad press. Your techniques subliminally enter the consciousness of posters and could even co-erce them into considering purchasing one of your products. BTW, I haven't even seen your products as I flatly refuse to be drawn in. You may produce the finest Cats known to man - but I ain't interested. Why not ?

Simply because you're trying too hard to interest me - no other reason.

You may not even realise what you're doing (- and that I really DO doubt - ) but subliminal marketing is insidious and wrapping it up in see-through clothing like "weight/displacement" etc. is, for me at least, just not cricket.

You are at a disadvantage in that you cannot really avoid APPEARING to draw posters in to sit down and discuss Cats in all their glory as your employment is directly derived from this, but it would be equally tedious if any other forumites on here were to constantly, yet subtly, drop in posts revolving around their own products and services in order that we should all start discussing them with similar intentions ( accidental or otherwise) to yourself.

I haven't notified the moderator yet. But I'm getting more tempted to. Why not surprise us all by posting about something like generators, or engines, or shower pumps that don't work, or how to clean spilt oil up from awkward to reach bilges, or folding bikes, or DVD players, or..........or toasters, /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif or something other than bloody catamarans !!!!!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

I don't know you personally, you may be a lovely man who doesn't beat his wife and loves his children, regularly donating to charity or whatever. Therefore, this is not intended as any kind of personal insult, so you shouldn't take it that way. It's my opinion of the "flavour" of your posts that I have read.

Now, you can ignore it, tell me to stick it up my @rse, or whatever. I don't really care, but I have expressed my right to it, and feel considerably better for it. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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One more thing - I'd rather have Saddam on here than you - at least he wouldn't bang on about F*&£ing catamarans - and I wouldn't understand him if he did ! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I am a bit amazed by the criticism of Victor.

The point about weight and power requirements is a good subject and he raised it.

He has an interest in CATS yes but so waht - again nothing he has stated tries to portray his boats as better than others etc. He is in no way plugging his business. I wish other importers/makers were on the forum a bit more.

I really do think that some people here are going over the top and spoiling an otherwise valid post.

So please lay of him and stick to the points raised in the thread.
 
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I was told to do this so I state my background at the start of each post I make on every thread. As another Sadam Hussein I dont exactly consider George Bush to be my best allie. Some cats have diabolical fuel consumption anyway.

I assure you I have given plenty of cash to shows and advertising in my lifetime. The forum to me is a bit of fun and the opportunity to learn more from people about subjects I am interested in.
 
Just ignore them Victor ..... everyione knows you supply cats etc but that does not disqualify you from living, which some think it does.

If you look at thge marlow boats they make a big deal about reducing weight - it must reduce energy requirment but not by any large amount. Nor is it a linear relationship.
 
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errrm Give me time, I will get around to asking the forum how the shower pump works. errrrm maybe it is because I am currently interested in understanding more about the effect of weight on performance as it seems to effect my current form of boating more than my old princess 33. Please can you or anyone else explain why? When i owned the Princess I was commercially involved with this boat. I asked a lot of questions specifically about it. I dont seem to recall people accusing me of being Saddam in disguise when involved with a brand of monohull.
 
So what is the relationship? - I am not entirely convinced by anything I have read yet. It appears far more complex than I first thought. Many people judge a boat purchase on its displacement. Heavy trawler must be better in heavy weather than a light one, and light trawler must have better fuel consumption. Light cat must perform better than a heavy one. I am beginning to think it is not as simple as that anymore. Would be interested in examples where the unexpected has occurred like the container ship example above. Interested to get a feel of effect of loading on different boat types.
 
Ob my last boat Drumbeat - she went faster when fully loaded with fuel and water than she did when much lighter but I am sure this was to do with some falry complex hull design issues and a fluke.

Basically the greater the displacment the more friction - it sits deper in the water so just that must increase the power requirment. I have not looked into it in detail but have a few design books and may one day delve into them a little.
 
I think drumbeat was planing or semi planing so I guess I can reason that adding some weight in the bows may help it plane just like moving forward on a rib.

What I am interested in is performance/fuel consumption changes when adding weight to a displacement boat. A nordhaven for example is a great heavyweight traditional trawler. If it was much lighter would it burn less fuel? Some of the posts suggest not when it reaches its displacement speed.

If that is the case can we have a nordhaven heavy cat which will reach a much higher top speed in displacement mode with smaller engines due to its hull shape? I dont know. There seems to be a lot of heavyweight commercial fishing cats around which I have never sailed on or know anything about.
 
As I understand it reducing weight in a displacement hull will burn less fuel but the effect is not great. However for a heavier hull that wa longer and therefore having a higher displacement speed would actually burn less fuel as the hull length is a very important factor and a slim long hull of the same weight would burn much less fuel.

Taking the same hull size and just adding weight would burn more fuel but not a lot more fuel.

If i had time I would go and gather the evidence of all this but the above is my understanding.
 
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