A new ferry across the Thames?

Would a Hover Craft be the ideal craft to make that River Crossing

It as it rides on a cusion of Air, travel over any any Foreshore Flotsham and debrie surely
Being on that cussion of air would mean that tides or lack of them is no problem at all
 
It's mostly a matter of inflexibility and regulation. Still plenty of people who can have ideas and could deal with the practical side of many problems, but if it involves anybody else - and especially the general public - then it's probably illegal without the appropriate paperwork. And where that was the case before (the 21st century didn't invent pedantic legislation) you were perhaps more likely to find authority willing to turn a blind eye if what you were doing was clearly a net benefit.

Of course this does also mean that as a member of the general public you're less likely to be drowned, crushed, or burned in an inadequate vehicle or building or by its unskilled operator, than in times past.

Pete
I expect if its not wheelchair friendly its not going to be allowed so they have to build a pier of the same type as the other clipper piers but because of the low water issue the wheelchair suitable large boat will only operate 2 hours either side of HW. Its all so much shooting ourselves in the foot to be all inclusive rather than putting a quick and dirty solution in immediately which would suit 90% of the people and actually be more useful as well.

I bet if you dig deep enough there is corruption as well, friendly contractors getting construction deals from friends in government who will be "thanked" in some way at some point.
 
... problem solved for cheap and would take a few weeks to implement IF THEY HAD THE WILL. We've become a nation of spoilt perfectionists obsessed with doing it highly professionally rather than how it would have been done in the 70s.
Where is Dido Harding when you need her?
 
I bet the army has warehouses full of unused military bridging equipment, painted olive drab and greased yearly, waiting to be used in a war that will never happen.
A very quick websurf suggests it would take them under 30 minutes to run a bridge capable of carrying a tank!
 
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The man in charge says "I don't know the answer to any question but its been great to be here and thanks for the 100K a year."

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I bet the army has warehouses full of unused military bridging equipment, painted olive drab and greased yearly, waiting to be used in a war that will never happen.
A very quick websurf suggests it would take them under 30 minutes to run a bridge capable of carrying a tank!
Yes, but it would require the Royal Empathy Corps to deploy fast reaction units locally to avoid hurt feelings and the mobile NAAFI wagon needs a licence from the council to supply tea and wad for the sappers. More prosaically bulldozing an approach path on the south side might give the locals a fit of the vapours and the EIS for the 500 tonnes of ballast for building an approach ramp would take 6 months to write, but the Corps of the Royal Engineers could quite easily bridge the gap; pontoon bridge probably with a removable bit to let river traffic through.
 
Couple of BIG air bags to support the existing bridge . Job done .
With a bloke and a van with a mobile compressor to regulate the air pressure a bit, tide-wise
 
I bet the army has warehouses full of unused military bridging equipment, painted olive drab and greased yearly, waiting to be used in a war that will never happen.
A very quick websurf suggests it would take them under 30 minutes to run a bridge capable of carrying a tank!
And this is the problem with having multiple threads on the same topic.
I refer honourable members to here: Boats not allowed under hammersmith bridge | YBW Forum

1. A bid for a military bridge was proposed pretty much on the first day of closure. The option was removed pretty swiftly. Other than any other issues the army bridge would prevent any passage of boats. Noted that we are already in that position, but things are slowly improving. A tank bridge would put paid to any chance of keeping navigation open.

2. As for the landing site on the south shore the old wharf in front of Harrods' Depository has already been offered up.
 
And this is the problem with having multiple threads on the same topic.
I refer honourable members to here: Boats not allowed under hammersmith bridge | YBW Forum

1. A bid for a military bridge was proposed pretty much on the first day of closure. The option was removed pretty swiftly. Other than any other issues the army bridge would prevent any passage of boats. Noted that we are already in that position, but things are slowly improving. A tank bridge would put paid to any chance of keeping navigation open.

2. As for the landing site on the south shore the old wharf in front of Harrods' Depository has already been offered up.
The thread isn't about how tanks might cross. Why the great institution of thames watermen hasn't remembered what their job is is more the point. Lots of options for assisting people on foot and bike to cross are possible but people are still waiting. Apparently the watermen organisation is very wealthy, maybe they don't need our pennies any more.
 
1. A bid for a military bridge was proposed pretty much on the first day of closure. The option was removed pretty swiftly. Other than any other issues the army bridge would prevent any passage of boats. Noted that we are already in that position, but things are slowly improving. A tank bridge would put paid to any chance of keeping navigation open.
I cannot help feeling that some sort of floating bridge with an opening section ought to be possible. It might not give better river access than the current situation but a fairly lightweight one could at least allow pedestrians and cyclists to cross. What's the Southampton Boat Show marina doing at the moment?
 
I cannot help feeling that some sort of floating bridge with an opening section ought to be possible. It might not give better river access than the current situation but a fairly lightweight one could at least allow pedestrians and cyclists to cross. What's the Southampton Boat Show marina doing at the moment?
This type is well tested on a significantly more demanding river The Pontoon Bridges That Carry Millions at Kumbh Mela But I just despair at our lack of ingenuity and imagination. Nothing gets done, unless some corporation will make millions of course.

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The thread isn't about how tanks might cross. Why the great institution of thames watermen hasn't remembered what their job is is more the point. Lots of options for assisting people on foot and bike to cross are possible but people are still waiting. Apparently the watermen organisation is very wealthy, maybe they don't need our pennies any more.
The Guild of Waterman & Lightermen is not a trading entity as such, certainly not as a boating company. However the contract has been won (as I understand it from the rumour mill) by a Waterman.
Home - Watermen and Lightermen (watermenscompany.com)
 
The Guild of Waterman & Lightermen is not a trading entity as such, certainly not as a boating company. However the contract has been won (as I understand it from the rumour mill) by a Waterman.
Home - Watermen and Lightermen (watermenscompany.com)
The history of the watermen includes them getting very upset when each new bridge was built taking their work away. But its taken them a year to wake up to seeing the work opportunity in one of those bridges being out of action? Seeing the steps by the bridge it seems likely that it was a site of a ferry crossing so it shouldn't need any new regulations just dig up some old paperwork.
 
From their website the livery would appear to be a nice lunch club these days rather than an effective lobby for working boatpersons.
 
From their website the livery would appear to be a nice lunch club these days rather than an effective lobby for working boatpersons.
Seems like they keep their hand in Apprentices - Watermen and Lightermen But I heard something recently that they own a significant amount of prime real estate in the city thanks to the compensation they got each time a bridge was built. Maybe they're worried they'd have to give some back if they start ferrying people again.
 
From their website the livery would appear to be a nice lunch club these days rather than an effective lobby for working boatpersons.
More than half of licenced Thames watermen and lightermen have families already in the business, often for many generations, and apprentice outsiders are tolerated through gritted teeth. (A unique situation perhaps? It seems to work anyway.)
The training is area specific as well as normal tickets, STCW, etc. It's a genuine demanding apprenticeship on the river.
( I tried to get on a waterman's local knowlege course, but it wasn't available unless you come from a river family. )
I never thought about the Guild/Livery's property portfolio, and how they work it, there must be some prime real estate in the city!
 
I cannot help feeling that some sort of floating bridge with an opening section ought to be possible. It might not give better river access than the current situation but a fairly lightweight one could at least allow pedestrians and cyclists to cross. What's the Southampton Boat Show marina doing at the moment?

like this one ?

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More than half of licenced Thames watermen and lightermen have families already in the business, often for many generations, and apprentice outsiders are tolerated through gritted teeth. (A unique situation perhaps? It seems to work anyway.)
The training is area specific as well as normal tickets, STCW, etc. It's a genuine demanding apprenticeship on the river.
( I tried to get on a waterman's local knowlege course, but it wasn't available unless you come from a river family. )
I never thought about the Guild/Livery's property portfolio, and how they work it, there must be some prime real estate in the city!
When I was living aboard in docklands one of the BW employees got a job as a waterman of some sort and he mentioned he had a relative who had done it as though naturally that was what qualified him. It seems a very unapologetic closed shop. When I worked at Felixstowe docks in the 90s I learnt that the Jehovah witnesses have the ports admin side in some way, not just Felixstowe, and its practically essential to see the light if you want to get on. And then one of the kids I was at school with got an apprenticeship as a track engineer with the railways purely because of a relative working there, very good starting salary. I'd forgotten about all this normalised nepotism.
 
.... When I worked at Felixstowe docks in the 90s I learnt that the Jehovah witnesses have the ports admin side in some way, not just Felixstowe, and its practically essential to see the light if you want to get on. And then one of the kids I was at school with got an apprenticeship as a track engineer with the railways purely because of a relative working there, very good starting salary. I'd forgotten about all this normalised nepotism.


According to my dad, the 1970s newspaper printing business was similar.

To the extent that it was almost impossible to fill a new post with anyone other than the shop steward‘s son!
 
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