A must see at Dusseldorf ..........

[Nautical]

Well actually not this model the 90 but her smaller sister the 75 to be shown at Dusseldorf. 75' is a big yacht but look at the weight at around 85 tons, thats big construction, the 90 below is 140 tons!

From the same people that brought us Elegance so expect a high standard of build and finish. A 66' also on the drawing board which I guess could be getting into Nordhavn's territory if a little further up the detail and finish stakes which seems hard to be believe given how good Nordhavn is certainly with its machinery installations. Big difference is she is steel rather than GRP.

This looks a mighty ocean crossing machine and could take you anywhere in the world.

This is only the Middle deck area

This the upper deck area, then there is the lower deck too

Pilot house, I can just myself in there ploughing our way up the Scandinavian coast line /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Lower Saloon

Dining

Upper saloon

Galley....wow Mrs Nautical could knock up some serious nosh in there /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Master suite

Master en suite

Guess she isn't that economical though with twin 1100hp motors but if you can afford to have one thats the least of your worries. Interestingly this style of yacht seems to hold its value extremely well, looking over the last season whats been sold some even though five years old are fetching near what they cost to build.

Anyway thought peeps might like to have a shufty.

 

[KCook]

Err, is that swim platform awash, even though it's underway?

Kelly Cook

 

[MapisM]

The finish seems indeed gorgeous.
But hey, what sort of hull does she have?
Seems cruising well above hull speed, sort of semi-displacement mode.
Which is very unusual for a steel, ocean-going vessel.
A couple of other things which don't match with the type/size of boat:
1) too big windows (and even in the hull!)
2) crane placed aft

 

[Nautical]

Its displacement for sure...........

Speed looks top end for displacement and the pic shows she must be at full whack judging by the amount of water she is shifting.

Windows are big but (although I am not privy to the exact detail) if like some I have been aboard are toughened to take high loads, the glass in the Hull sections is really thick, if you blew one out you've had it anyway, the glass is probably stronger than the hull!

Furniture on the boat deck is loose so I'd imagine its shifted to one side to take a substantial tender. Think these shots are brochure pretty picture ones, kitted up for long distance I would think there would be alot more clobber on deck.

Interestingly the sales blurb says " the owner of the yacht can say ' Majorca to Florida non stop please" . with 45,000 litres on board I should hope so /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Sundays_Child]

WOW!

Serious boat. Wouldn't want to be in the rough stuff if the stabilisers went. Seriously toppy.

Is she self-righting like a Cape Horn?

 

[Sundays_Child]

"What will not change is Cape Horn’s commitment to safety and reliability. Start with its decision to use steel. It is stronger, more damage-tolerant, and easier to repair than aluminum or fiberglass. Its main drawback is weight, but in a displacement hull weight becomes an asset, lowering the center of gravity and improving stability. But Cape Horn goes far beyond that, adding some 20,000 pounds of lead ballast to make the yacht self-righting. If she should capsize or breach, she’s designed to pop back upright and intact in fewer than five seconds. All exterior doors and windows can withstand hydrostatic pressure."

 

[masaccio]

Hmmm...I had a look over the 90 last year at Dusseldorf and thought it was a mess. Apart from the hideous faux-African-tribesman decor (truly disgusting), the build quality wasn't great and the crew quarters were a joke. Bumped into Ralf Schumacher who had just ordered a 75, so the one at Dusseldorf might be his. I'd have a Nordhavn every time.

 

[pagreen]

What make is this yacht ?
Would like to get more info

 

[masaccio]

It's a Bandido, made for Drettman (a German company) by the Pearl yard in Taiwan. Go to www.bandido-yachts.com for more details.

 

[Nautical]

/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif we don't seem to agree on much do we ?

I didn't go into much detail on the 90 at Dusseldorf but what I saw was impressive for a number one build. Sure there were things with the decor I didn't like but that is just a matter of taste, I'd have the interior completely different. Other areas that needed tidying was the wiring in the engineroom, nothing wrong with it just needs a little extra sparkle, I'd certainly have no worries steaming the North Sea or Atlantic in one. Nordhavn are great and really well built but they have the this almost reverance bestowed on them which is not always warranted in my view. I was on one not long ago and the finish on certain bits wasn't top dollar, silly little things like the side gate to the pontoon was closed with a flimsy sliding catch and there was no rubber or seal around the Jam to stop it wobbling so you could move it 1/2 " back and forth on its hindges, rolling around in a heavy seas would drive me nuts listening to it clunking back and forth. I ve heard some stories of problems mid atlantic with stabilisers giving up the ghost, hydrualic problems, wiring problems etc, then I heard others just switched on their 62 steamed all the way to Gib and not a sqweak.

The only yacht of this ilk that I have consitantly seen beautifully executed down to the smallest detail time after time and I have visited quite a few now is the Fleming 55, for me nothing compares and it is the one we will entrust to get us round our four month Scandinavian adventure in 2009. Its not the sexiest, nor the roomiest but it does exactly what is says on the tin and that is complete 100's and 100's of hours fault free and in whisper quiet comfort.

 

[Nautical]

I think actually its the Jade Yachts yard.

 

[masaccio]

Yes, you're absolutely right...I knew it was some kind of gem thing.

And agree with your post above about Flemings...top boats.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

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Interestingly the sales blurb says " the owner of the yacht can say ' Majorca to Florida non stop please" . with 45,000 litres on board I should hope so


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According to the website, the 75 has only got about 17000 litres and the 90 even less so I guess 'Majorca to Florida non stop please' means on one of THESE ?

Nice boats though

 

[Nautical]

/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif he he, the press thing I got defo says 45,000 litres but reading it again I think you have to specify that at time of order, anyways if Santa brings me one I won't moan too much /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[MapisM]

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if Santa brings me one I won't moan too much

[/ QUOTE ]LOL, yeah, I wouldn't moan either.
But I'd try to resell her as quickly as I could, and I'll tell you why (all IMHO, as always):

1) Hull/engines: the hull shape is definitely full displacement judging from the drawing you posted.
But in this case, its the 2.200 HP that doesn't make sense. That can only move around a lot of water (as seen in previous pic), probably worth just 1kt of additional speed at the expense of much greater consumption.
And it isn't a matter of being able to afford it or not, the fact is that you must give up the atlantic range at anything above hull speed, cause the MPG increases exponentially.
In fact, proper steel trawlers like this one, rather than flashy HP specs, have bulky, continuous duty engines. Mind, she's actually smaller (85' vs. 90'), but heavier (170T vs. 140). If 700 HPs are good enough for her, you can see why I can't understand the 2.200.

2) Re. glasses stronger than a steel hull, well, I don't think so. And for a simple reason: steel is (to some extent) flexible, whilst glass isn't. Besides, smaller windows cant take much higher loads for a given glass strength, because the total pressure suffered by a single piece of glass is much lower.

3) The reason why I mentioned the crane position as a minus is not due to the furniture on the deck, it's because placing the crane on the bow is the way to go for these vessels, as in the one below, just to make an example. Which is "just" a 75', btw, but with a proper design can accomodate two big tenders in an area which is otherwise wasted.

 

[Nautical]

I'd probably agree with most of that and I guess the client profile of Drettman probably dictates that you have to have the biggest of everything, not withstanding that though I would still consider her over others mainly because I could spec her anyway I wanted so twin Luggers 500bhp reving around 1200 rpm would be my choice and I'd reconfigure the layout on deck and below.

I like the Idea of the bigger glass especially cruising in better waters gives a much better view out and sense of the outside world, down below some of these expedition yachts can be a bit gloomy and very little natural light. If its as strong as it supposed to be then I wouldn't have a problem, Ive been in the wheel house of chunky displacement stuff taking solid green for hours on end and not a problem so I think the tech is there if built right. Plus for me too is there is a little bit of extra sparkle or glam that the traditional fayre doesn't offer, many look like converted trawlers.

If I am not mistaken the bottom picture pic is of Hercules built by Molokai Straight? they do some nice big stuff to although all built to order.

Here is a glimpse of a new player launching something similar and aimed directly at Nordhavn. ranging from around 60' - 100'

This is the 85

I like is again because it has those bigger windows and a big more design element.

 

[MapisM]

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If I am not mistaken the bottom picture pic is of Hercules built by Molokai Straight?

[/ QUOTE ]Well, 'Strait' actually, but yes, she is.
An even better picture of her on their homepage at the moment.
I rest my case about big windows, though I know they're in high fashion these days.
My theory is, whenever I want to enjoy the scenery, I rather go on deck than look at it through any window.
But maybe that's also because I'm used to boating in warm climates...
I like the layout in this last drawing much more than the previous 90'.
I'd maybe get rid of the flybridge helm station and sun roof, if really meant for world cruising, but I guess that's up to clients requests.

 

[KCook]

Nautical, would you happen to know the designer for that?

Kelly

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

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3) The reason why I mentioned the crane position as a minus is not due to the furniture on the deck, it's because placing the crane on the bow is the way to go for these vessels, as in the one below, just to make an example. Which is "just" a 75', btw, but with a proper design can accomodate two big tenders in an area which is otherwise wasted

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I agree it's a convenient place to store tender(s) on this type of boat but how do you launch them? OK, you lift them up and drop them over the side but how do you stop them swinging into the expensive gelcoat and how do you get into the tender when it's 3m below deck level? I guess the idea is to have a crew member in the tender as it's lowered but that does'nt seem safe to me especially if the sea is choppy and the boat is rolling

 

[MapisM]

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how do you stop them swinging into the expensive gelcoat

[/ QUOTE ]A simple line is enough to keep it sufficiently parallel to the boat. As long as the outboard does not hit the hull, any other part of the rib can't do any damage.
Well, actually, even the outboard would probably suffer more than the hull, there's no gelcoat there, just marine grade steel!
Re. safety when the boat is rolling, well, if the sea is choppy enough to make such boat roll significantly, probably I wouldn't play with the tender anyway...