A guide to Croatia

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A short guide to cruising in Croatia.

This has been written following a 5 day cruise at he invitation of mapism of this parish.

There don’t seem many forumites keeping boats here so I thought it worth writing up my findings and views.

Getting here

I joined in Zadar and left the boat at Split.

There are only 4 direct flights a week I could find from London. 2 from Luton with easyJet (6am?) and 2 from Stansted with Ryanair.

Coming home ( I was heading to Mallorca ) to the U.K. easyJet fly to split 4 times a day and I did not check other carriers. So if you want to keep a boat here Split seems a better option !

From the airport I got a taxi. Uber works here but it was 10 mins wait so I hopped in a cab. Mistake! Uber was quoting kuna 50-60 and the taxi meter was kuna 230. What tariff it was on who knows.

Mapism had entered from Italy and purchased a cruising permit for circa Euro 700 for 1 month on arrival.

A search of entering Croatia reveals that you MUST check in at the earliest opportunity. This means the first port you come to not the first you stop at any time day or night. There are heavy fines for not doing this and other forums report that they track boats using ais. So I would suggest turning it off !

Similarly boats have not checked out, gone to Italy and returned within the validity of their cruising permit and been fined so they seem to take this seriously. Just as well the eu has freedom of movement !

There is also a requirement to change your crew list each time people arrive and leave. Mapism asked about this and they did not seem bothered ( but were apparently very hot on this a few years ago )

As you can probably tell money and to some extent bureaucracy are rife in Croatia, presumably a hang over of its communist origins.


Zadar.

I didn’t see much of Zadar other than the most luxurious fuel quay I have ever come across. Seating, a restaurant and bar service and a mini mart !

Fuel was circa Euro 1.30 a litre so roughly to same as my home port Mallorca.

Cruising

From Zadar we cruised in sheltered waters between the small islands that were really more like inland waterways in most places. Smooth water and in general not that many boats.

The islands are volcanic and there is little in the way of rocks or shallow water. You can pass close to the shore in 30-50m of water.

The distances are short and the water flat so doing this at displacement speed is altogether a more pleasurable experience.

This is genetically the Kornati nation park. I say generically as its exact boundaries are not marked on the nautical map and finding a map online - even on the official site has so far eluded me.

This is important as the park has a high entry fee of kuna 600 per day for a 17 m boat ( euro 80) which must be bought before you enter or the fee is doubled which can make for an expensive anchoring stop.

They sell passes of 1, 3 and 7 days and 7 days is kuna 2800 e380 which is pretty steep given you have also bought a cruising permit and then also pay for you berthing on top.

The park is however charming. The islands are low barren hills, the water clear and uncrowded. The boats in this part are biased towards motorboats - I assume given the park fees. In the rest of the region sail boats rule.

The sailboat charter fleets are simply huge. In Trogir we visited 2 empty marinas to be told they were full for annual berth holders. I pointed out there were hundreds of spaces in peak season. She replied ... wait until Friday ...(change over day ) Others also advise ( Deleted User and other forum posts )do not try and fuel on a Friday as it will be you against several hundred charter boats who need to return with a full tank.

In the Kornati there are lots of restaurants with either bouys or more commonly small pontoons taking between 5 and about 20 boats.

If you eat there then the berth is free. Electricity is all provided by generator and seems to be available from 7pm to midnight which is enough to charge batteries and run the ac.

In one place there was also electric in the morning which was nice.

The islands have no water and it is all delivered by tanker. Water is usually billable at about e10 per 100 litres but is is also limited to 100 litres so use water wisely or get a water maker !

A full boat for a week uses a lot of water ( well mine does ... I know some use less and the Pbo forum seems full of people who can make a 300 litre tank last a month. ).

The food is good but simple. A sign above one eatery said Fish and Steak which pretty much summed it up to be honest. Mapism being Italian ordered pasta / risotto and it was not really up to Italian standards !

There are a few scattered mini marts that sell little so stock up well.

Both in and out of the Kornati there are very large numbers of mooring bouys. Some of the bouy fields are very large ( say 100 bouys ) but 20 or so is probably more usual. These range in price between kuna 200 and kuna 350. ( about e30 to e50) and might be free or a discount offered if the concession holder is the restaurant.

Bear in mind that the charter fleets seem very price sensitive and the lower priced moorings can get full very quickly and a slightly more expensive one a mile or two past might be almost empty.

Most coasts are rocky and sandy beaches - or beaches at all for that matter - for children or adults are in short supply.
 
Trogir

I left the boat at trogir.

Trogir has two Marinas the old town ( central ) and the new marina about a 20 minute walk into town.

The old town is small but very beautiful with small lanes and many places to eat and drink.

The new marina has a pool and yacht club. The pool charges for sunbeds and umbrellas which was a first for me! The cost of an annual berth for a 17.9m boat is about £9000 which is roughly a third of the price of Mallorca.

The yacht club food was probably the best on the trip ( lady Mapism’s cooking aside of course !)

Trogir has the advantage of being 10 minutes to Split airport ( much closer then Split town). The airport is busy but scrappy with little In the way of facilities or seating.

Keeping a boat here


From my limited view point Trogir is probably the best compromise if you are U.K. based. Lots of flights to split ( not in winter ) and close to the airport and the Kornati. Both marinas are however full and the old town does not have a waiting list as the charter companies take any berths they have.

The people.

The people were described by my sister as surely and that is probably the best adjective I can come up with.

They mostly speak some or fluent English. Anyone connected to the government or officialdom seem especially difficult to deal with, in tourist
restaurants etc they are nicer but perhaps best described as functional.

Weather

I was only there for 5 days but there was a consistent pattern of calm / nil wind until about 3pm when it blew up sometimes to a considerable degree to be calm again for 8/9pm.

Conclusion.

The cruising is mostly stunning and the facilities in terms of mooring bouys extensive.

If Croatia were an airline it would be Ryanair crossed with Qatar . Indifferent people, money fleeced at every opportunity and food that is adequate but not exciting but with 5 star cruising.

I will be back and have a rough plan to leave Mallorca next year and head to Sardinia / Corsica / Italy and then round to Croatia. If you can park the feeling of being fleeced at every opportunity and just lump together the cost of moorings , permits and so on it is still a good value destination if compared to Mallorca. The comparison of course maybe less flattering when compared to other locations.

Finally thank you to Mapism and his lady wife for being such generous hosts.
 
Nice write up .
Plan seems good may as well .
Paps the “fleecing “ feeling will wain the longer you establish links in Croatia once there ?
Winter - driving a possibility or fly as near then hire car it ?
It’s surprisingly easy and relaxing driving on mainland EU not to be confused with a Sunday trip on the M25 or M40/M 1 etc .
 
Yes interesting .... we are thinking the same we have been in majorca now for 15 years and time for a change the posidonia police have definitely tipped the balance. The biggest thing for us is the accessibility that majorca offers so finding somewhere we can get to all year around is important .
 
Finally thank you to Mapism and his lady wife for being such generous hosts.
Thanks to you J for joining us, it's always a pleasure to have boaty-type guests onboard! :)

Thanks also for the useful guide, whose content I fully agree with.
From our viewpoint - i.e. the one of folks who spent a whole decade cruising that coastline (long ago, i.e. at the turn of the last century), TBH our expectations were not always met.
But as they old saying goes, when you think that the old times were better, quite often it's just because you were younger... :rolleyes:
For anyone who likes overnighting at anchor (as we also do!), the HR archipelago remains a top destination, in spite of the attitude of some Croatians, who can spoil the experience a bit.
Whether that's enough to balance some other cons that you mentioned, well, each to their own on that!

Anyway, we are looking forward to catch up again next year, if your plan to move on from the Baldricks will materialize.
As you know, from Mahon we are straight along the route to go round the heel of Italy and reach the Adriatic.
And aside from some occasional trips, CF is practically our home by now, and it's going to be also in the foreseeable future! :encouragement:
 
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Hi all motor boat forum this isn't the place I would normally visit but I through I give a little input on Croatia .
A new tax came in this year which made Croatia expensive, the good news is it coming down for next year ,
As pointed out by the OP you must check into the first port a suggested is if you have AIS is turn it off The Croatian are very good at plotting you on AIS , everyone I know that been fined is because of AIS .
Over the years we left to go to Italy and returned without checking out or in and managed to get away with it , I put that down to not having AIS or maybe we just been lucky but I do strongly suggest you do check in and not anchor for lunch or over night before doing so .
Also pointed out by the OP mooring buoys , town quays and marinas are very expensive but there are thousand of free anchorages .
The law been chance some years back that now you can anchor 150 mts from mooring fields free where it was once300 mts but some will still try it on .
The link below is a site I build some years back , it was updated two years , there are other link from Wolfgang who has a very good site that updated each year , also gov site showing mooring fields and weather site .
Hope you didn't mind me given my input ,
sailing boat motor boats we all shave the same seas .
 
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Fortunately no idea ! ... however there are a lot of boats and marinas so I dont suspect that this is an issue.

The challenge is that much is not actually a matter of choice....

- The cruising permit and sojourn tax ( just for being there)
- The national park fees ( these are hi and yes you have a choice but it is a large part of the best cruising )
- Fines double the daily fee if you stray into a park as opposed to a please pay or leave request
- Anchoring fees ( we didnt experience this and reading on line suggests that this can be legal but may not be! )

Food was not expensive, but was fairly basic ( no issue with this) and Marinas compared to Mallorca are not that expensive ( but Mallorca is very expensive so the compares may not be valid)

If you add it all up it is probably less than Mallorca.
 
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Anchoring fees ( we didnt experience this and reading on line suggests that this can be legal but may not be! )
Fwiw, we did experience a request of an anchoring fee, before you joined us.
That was in Veruda bay, a nice and well sheltered anchorage in the southern part of Istria, which used to be one of our favorite spots whenever we didn't have time to go further South.
And needless to say, there were no fees whatsoever, back in the days.
I suppose that the request is legal anyhow: the chaps come with a "Pula port authority" RIB, and they also give a receipt.
About 30 Eur for a 17m boat, and no penalty for not having paid in advance - which I don't think would even be possible, actually.

Coming to think of it, that has been the only "anchoring-only" fee we came across (park fees aside, I mean).
And in fairness, we did anchor in several places, particularly in the most southern islands, where they seem a tad more relaxed, when it comes to squeezing money from boaters...
...Till that lasts! :rolleyes:
 
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Excellent write up J. Having spent 4 seasons in Croatia I would add a couple of things

Yes Split is a good airport near which to base a boat but at least up until 2013 when we left there were no flights from London airports between Oct and Apr which IMHO is the biggest disadvantage with keeping a boat in Croatia. The only coastal airport with flights all year round is Dubrovnik but there is only one marina near Dubrovnik (although another was under construction when we left). Other than Dubrovnik, in winter the only way of getting to your boat is to fly to Zagreb and rent a car for the 2-3hr drive to the coast.

Most of the marinas in Croatia are state owned ACI marinas which are OK but lets say some of them dont try very hard. IMHO the best marina to keep a boat in Croatia is the privately owned Marina Frapa http://www.marinafrapa.com/en/ where we kept our boat. Its only about 40mins taxi ride from Split airport and it is full service (even down to holding a Miss Croatia contest every year!). Its also right in the middle of the best cruising grounds

As regards checking in and out, all I can say is that I used to take my boat to Italy for the winter and forgot to check out at customs a couple of times and this was before Croatia joined the EU. Nobody bothered me when I arrived back in Croatia the following Spring. The vital document though is the cruising vignette which you do need to buy at the first port of entry and there is a strong likelihood that you will be stopped and checked at some point during the season. I am surprised to hear that the crew list is no longer required because that used to be checked too and also when you berth in marina as a visitor

I half agree on the food. Yes most restaurants offer meat or fish type tourist food but there are some very good restaurants in Croatia in some stunning settings if you bother to seek them out so with a bit of effort you can eat well

Yes there is a bit of a fleece the boater type culture in Croatia. I accepted paying for the vignette but it pissed me off then to pay extra to enter national park areas like Kornati and yes you have to pay to pick up a mooring buoy in some areas. On the other hand long term and visitor berthing fees in marinas are generally reasonable and many restaurants have their own quays against which you can moor FOC if you eat in the restaurant. Boaters in Croatia used to complain about costs but I suspect few of them have experienced the rip off prices for many boating related services in the W Med

Last point about the climate. Yes between early May and mid Oct, you will normally get very settled cruising weather save for the occasional Bora wind which is usually well forecast. However the winter weather can be wet and cold (which is why tourists dont go there between Oct and Apr) so the boating season is shorter than many locations in the W Med
 
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