50ft or 62ft? Is bigger than 50 really too big for the uk?

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Ive tested using phone, charplottet and logs. All within 1 knot. Have never managed over 29 knots , have the 575 engines. Running 50% fuel, 50% water, empty holding tank and pwc in garage. Had an issue where at wot the enfines would overheat due to exhausts being clogged up, made loads of exhaust noise as well, but thats been resolved now. At 24-25 knots id now still be 95% throttles ......i moved it down to rk marine for its annual service the other week and we maxed at 25-26 against plotter logs and phone.....rk are still trying to work out why. Going to coppercoat the bottem if im going to keep it long term or if im going to upgrade then ill just strip the 5 years of anti foul and anti foul it and polish the prpos and hope that helps.

Well RK should get to the bottom of it but 25-26kts is not nearly good enough. Are you sure the engines are definitely revving out to 2500rpm at that speed? Have the rev counters been checked for accuracy?

 

[NGM]

Whether the effect on engine space is a compromise too far depends on how well designed it is. If the access into the engine bay is manageable and you can get to all the service points on the engines and other components like batteries, pumps etc then why not have the garage if you want one.

yep makes sense, I'll be sure to check

 

[Bandit]

How clean is the bottom, when was she last lifted and pressure washed?

Coppercoat after a few months in the water performs in my experience not as well as a good traditional antifouling and with a lot of up front cost.

Get RK to flush the seawater side of the engines with Rydlyme to clear out the tubes.

 

[NormanB]

Reference the discussed performance issue.

The only way to get to the bottom of this is:

1. Clean bottom.
2. Check prop pitch as spec.
3. Check water line spec ( displacement - offload as necessary to achieve design spec).
4. Specialist to fit strain gauges on prop shafts (to measure or assist in calculating torque).
5. Specialist to fit test shaft tachometers.
6. Measure mile runs.
7. Analysis.

 

[Omegaelite]

The question made it into this months MBY magazine Weve decided to charter a V62 princess for a week and see how we get on with it. If 62ft big is really too big for us to handle and too much of a pain with the marinas then Ill fall back to a Targa 53 open, Sessa 52, Sunseeker Predator 52 or something like that.....

 

[Omegaelite]

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Good call, well done

 

[mancival]

Slightly OT, but actually relevant: what's the shortest flybridge boat with tender garage? So far I found Franchini 55 fly and Mochi dolphin 54, but I don't like much their "classic" look. Anything same lenght or shorter, with "modern" look?

 

[MapisM]

Slightly OT, but actually relevant: what's the shortest flybridge boat with tender garage? So far I found Franchini 55 fly and Mochi dolphin 54, but I don't like much their "classic" look. Anything same lenght or shorter, with "modern" look?

I'm puzzled. Are you interested in flybridges, or in something like the Franchini and the Mochi but more modern?
Regardless, I believe you will struggle to find f/b boats of comparable size with a tender garage, for the very simple reason that it wouldn't make sense...
I can only think of an old Conam, but it was actually a bit bigger at 60' or so, and with a weird half garage.

 

[Whitelighter]

Slightly OT, but actually relevant: what's the shortest flybridge boat with tender garage? So far I found Franchini 55 fly and Mochi dolphin 54, but I don't like much their "classic" look. Anything same lenght or shorter, with "modern" look?

I believe the Beneteau MonteCarlo/Granturismo 47/49 fly has a tender garage

 

[Piers]

The question made it into this months MBY magazine Weve decided to charter a V62 princess for a week and see how we get on with it. If 62ft big is really too big for us to handle and too much of a pain with the marinas then Ill fall back to a Targa 53 open, Sessa 52, Sunseeker Predator 52 or something like that.....

Hi. We have never had an issue with our Fleming 55 in accessing any marina apart from one on the north coast of France. However, we always make a point of calling ahead which allows the HM to ensure a space is available even if 'we don't reserve berths, sir'. If we have any doubt en route, we call again to reassure them of our arrival and their potential income...

One important point we find is that HMs judge the pontoon length you need not from the length of the boat but from how much room they think you might need to manoeuvre into the berth. Hence, if I sense any concern on the phone I add that I can manoeuvre the boat with very little extra length of pontoon.

In France you'll find you are given the hammerheads and sometimes the 'ponton d'honneur' near the capitainerie. Why? Bigger boats attract visitors who in turn increase income...

So, go for the 62'. She will be great fun and you'll not live to regret it. Planning is all you need. Have fun!

 

[mancival]

I believe the Beneteau MonteCarlo/Granturismo 47/49 fly has a tender garage

Like the thread initiator, I'm looking to buy a "manageable" Flybridge with good utility, and to me utility means: 1) two double cabins and two toilets (of which one cabin/toilette VERY spacious), 2) a flybridge and 3) an unencumbered platform (i.e. either tender garage or tender on the fly). Regarding point 3, for a moment I also looked at tenders on lo-hi platforms because it's supposed to facilitate tender launch/recovery, but I don't think it really helps in choppy water (happy to hear different opinions), so better go for an unencumbered platform (btw, I would use the boat in the Med).
I'm looking for used boats built well before 2010 for pricing reasons, and so far the best candidates have been Astondoa 66 and Azimut 70, all can be found for ~400k if built around 2000. BUT, like the thread initiator, I think would be better to buy a boat around 50FT, for all the reasons mentioned by others. Beneteau MC47/GT49 seem very good candidates (thanks Whitelighter) except they were not built well before 2010. Any other ideas?

 

[jfm]

Like the thread initiator, I'm looking to buy a "manageable" Flybridge with good utility, and to me utility means: 1) two double cabins and two toilets (of which one cabin/toilette VERY spacious), 2) a flybridge and 3) an unencumbered platform (i.e. either tender garage or tender on the fly). Regarding point 3, for a moment I also looked at tenders on lo-hi platforms because it's supposed to facilitate tender launch/recovery, but I don't think it really helps in choppy water (happy to hear different opinions), so better go for an unencumbered platform (btw, I would use the boat in the Med).
I'm looking for used boats built well before 2010 for pricing reasons, and so far the best candidates have been Astondoa 66 and Azimut 70, all can be found for ~400k if built around 2000. BUT, like the thread initiator, I think would be better to buy a boat around 50FT, for all the reasons mentioned by others. Beneteau MC47/GT49 seem very good candidates (thanks Whitelighter) except they were not built well before 2010. Any other ideas?

I think you're underestimating the benefits of hilo platform. At 66/70 feet it will be very rare indeed for choppy water to causing a problem with tender launch and recovery. Hilo is imho by fat the best way to handle a tender on a 66/70 footer. Relative to that size of boat, a garage eats up a huge amount of space, unless you can live with a tiny tender. Eg the fairline squadron 74 used to have a tender garage but it only took an Avon 320, which is a small tender for such a large boat. With a hilo platform it can take a 4.3m tender and you get a full utility room/laundry where the tender garage used to be

 

[MapisM]

Mancival, I agree with all the comments jfm made, but just to throw in an argument against hi/lo platforms, considering that (as I understand) you wouldn't be shy of using the boat in some rough stuff: these platforms, so fashionable these days for all the good reasons jfm explained, have one inherent design implication, i.e. the fact that they must be overhanging from the stern.
If you look at boats of the last decades (not to mention 90s boats), many of them already had a very large and convenient platform, but since they were fixed, it was possible for the builder to design them above the hull, up to almost the end of the platform. Just look at all Ferrettis, for instance.
Now, I'm not saying that in rough seas an overhanging platform is, as such, a recipe for a disaster - far from that.
And we have brilliant examples of great boats with hi/lo overhanging platforms also here in the forum (not only jfm boat, but also BartW and MYAG, for instance).
But they are all pretty substantial vessels, which does matter when the going gets rough.
In my own boat, which is a 53' trawler more than capable of handling rough seas but with a completely overhanging platform, the only few occasions when I feared to make some damages while cruising were in following seas, when green water occasionally managed to reach the tender, trying to lift it from its chocks.
In this respect, either a non-overhanging (hence necessarily not hilo) platform or a f/b crane are better imho, particularly on sub-70' boats.