cgull
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How many drown in cars??
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Victorious
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some years ago statistics showed that a high percentage of drownings were people trapped in cars....
I assume that if ya drive into the sea it would be a coastal incident...
I wonder..... what percentage of drownings involved boats at all ?
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I assume that if ya drive into the sea it would be a coastal incident...
I wonder..... what percentage of drownings involved boats at all ?
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qsiv
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I wasn't intending to impute what wasn't stated...
I assumed (always rash) that the MCA wouldnt be concerned with drownings beyond coastal waters - I dont know who collates figures for drownings outside territorial waters - but it would at least be difficult to attribute them to any one country. The fact that the coastal figures includes the significant number of beach drownings implies that those drowned from boats is even lower than I had first assumed.
I Cant find the figures for 2003, but in 2001 22 people drowned (Source : ROSPA) from boating related accidents (both inland and coastal), compared with 25 who drowned from vehicles. All I was getting at that a an educational drive at educating yachtsmen about the dangers of drowning seems not to be aimed at the area likely to yield greatest results. It is however a target audience which will attract publicity (witness the fact that YBW picked up on it, whereas the AA site has not).
Trolling - absolutely not. If I were I might have sought one of these nice new ID's rather than a well established one. As one who's father drowned (at sea), who's SWMBO tried suicide that way and who has in the course of sailing recovered two drowned bodies I'm reasonably aware of the importance of the subject. Only one of those incidents was actually a 'boating' incident - the others just happened to involve coastal waters.
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I assumed (always rash) that the MCA wouldnt be concerned with drownings beyond coastal waters - I dont know who collates figures for drownings outside territorial waters - but it would at least be difficult to attribute them to any one country. The fact that the coastal figures includes the significant number of beach drownings implies that those drowned from boats is even lower than I had first assumed.
I Cant find the figures for 2003, but in 2001 22 people drowned (Source : ROSPA) from boating related accidents (both inland and coastal), compared with 25 who drowned from vehicles. All I was getting at that a an educational drive at educating yachtsmen about the dangers of drowning seems not to be aimed at the area likely to yield greatest results. It is however a target audience which will attract publicity (witness the fact that YBW picked up on it, whereas the AA site has not).
Trolling - absolutely not. If I were I might have sought one of these nice new ID's rather than a well established one. As one who's father drowned (at sea), who's SWMBO tried suicide that way and who has in the course of sailing recovered two drowned bodies I'm reasonably aware of the importance of the subject. Only one of those incidents was actually a 'boating' incident - the others just happened to involve coastal waters.
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MainlySteam
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The statistics for all drownings in New Zealand for 1984 t0 2003 are here http://www.watersafety.org.nz/whatsnew/DS 2003.pdf. Even a cursory look at them shows that only 1 or 2 a year drown off keel yachts (excluding offshore) and hardly anyone ever drowns off decked power boats (given as Other Powered Craft in the table) and makes clear where the attention should be directed. Keel yachts and decked power vessels are not the problem at all, and given that one hardly ever sees persons wearing lifejackets on those vessels here, and hardly anyone ever drowns off them, they must be regarded as very safe from the drowning risk point of view.
Far more drown from non recreational activities than recreational water activities. Even the most dangerous of the boating classifications (small open and rowing craft) in the table, when all added together, are in total less than the individual numbers of drownings from each of accidental immersion (non boaty that is, falling in the water), vehicle drownings or suicide drowings.
It has been recently promoted here that the most value for protecting life near the water is for people to learn to have at least basic swimming competence and I personally believe that there is a lot of merit in that.
While the figures I have referred to apply to NZ, I would be quite confident that on a population basis, most maritime nations would be similar (if anything perhaps more non boaty accidents in other nations).
John
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Far more drown from non recreational activities than recreational water activities. Even the most dangerous of the boating classifications (small open and rowing craft) in the table, when all added together, are in total less than the individual numbers of drownings from each of accidental immersion (non boaty that is, falling in the water), vehicle drownings or suicide drowings.
It has been recently promoted here that the most value for protecting life near the water is for people to learn to have at least basic swimming competence and I personally believe that there is a lot of merit in that.
While the figures I have referred to apply to NZ, I would be quite confident that on a population basis, most maritime nations would be similar (if anything perhaps more non boaty accidents in other nations).
John
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qsiv
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Thats fascinating - and most detailed. Of the 180 who died in the last three years it appears that a total of 2 people drowned from all coastal and inland sailing and decked power boat activities - it's even lower than I might have guessed. I suspect the figures would scale as you suggest.
As you say, the most likely way to drown is to enter the water to go for a swim (38 deaths), so the logical solution is to either ban swimming, or require a formal competence test, an annual licence fee and the wearing of PFD's by all swimmers of every standard. Swimmers would also have to notify a competent authority of their intended time and place of immersion together with duration of swim. Will make for a fun Olympics! Swimming at sea is more dangerous as there is only one edge (as compared to a pool that has at least 4 sides you can get out from).
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As you say, the most likely way to drown is to enter the water to go for a swim (38 deaths), so the logical solution is to either ban swimming, or require a formal competence test, an annual licence fee and the wearing of PFD's by all swimmers of every standard. Swimmers would also have to notify a competent authority of their intended time and place of immersion together with duration of swim. Will make for a fun Olympics! Swimming at sea is more dangerous as there is only one edge (as compared to a pool that has at least 4 sides you can get out from).
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bob_tyler
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"as compared to a pool that has at least 4 sides you can get out from"
Obviously greater risk in a circular pool - only one side.
How many drownings in the statistics are in baths? Presumably they come under the inshore stats.
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Obviously greater risk in a circular pool - only one side.
How many drownings in the statistics are in baths? Presumably they come under the inshore stats.
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