4 days aboard with DAKA
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.Resolution
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DAKA,
Accepting that it is clearly unsafe to motor a French-flagged Bavaria anywhere near you, can you promise that we will be safe from your advances if
a) wearing a red ensign;
b) in any yacht other than a Bavaria;
c) sailing not motoring; or
d) all three of the above?
A concerned raggie.
Accepting that it is clearly unsafe to motor a French-flagged Bavaria anywhere near you, can you promise that we will be safe from your advances if
a) wearing a red ensign;
b) in any yacht other than a Bavaria;
c) sailing not motoring; or
d) all three of the above?
A concerned raggie.
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fireball
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it's safer just to give Daka an exclusion zone - about 2Nm should do it ...
DAKA
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Come on guys, thats a bit unfair .
It was 0530
I was fast asleep
I was on a HM laid swinging buoy
The French Bavaria left on a falling tide and ran out of water, lost steering and rammed his stern into me .
Now how about the stupid woman who sends kids out into a busy narrow channel...........
Pram dinghies are held against a pontoon, once the kids are sat in them and holding the tiller they are released and let go in a similar way to you letting a model yacht sail away in a boating lake.
Problem being this is a busy narrow channel and I saw one child sail straight under the bow of a boat (under power).
Sailing instructor shouted and kicked up a real stink at the unwitting skipper who couldnt have done anything about it.
Dont you think that sailing in narrow channels should be prohibited, boats could be towed out to safe water.
It was 0530
I was fast asleep
I was on a HM laid swinging buoy
The French Bavaria left on a falling tide and ran out of water, lost steering and rammed his stern into me .
Now how about the stupid woman who sends kids out into a busy narrow channel...........
Pram dinghies are held against a pontoon, once the kids are sat in them and holding the tiller they are released and let go in a similar way to you letting a model yacht sail away in a boating lake.
Problem being this is a busy narrow channel and I saw one child sail straight under the bow of a boat (under power).
Sailing instructor shouted and kicked up a real stink at the unwitting skipper who couldnt have done anything about it.
Dont you think that sailing in narrow channels should be prohibited, boats could be towed out to safe water.
Flying Penguin
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Which particular collision of yours was this? We're loosing track
Actually, the fact I need to ask that says more than any answer you could possible give
How about a notice to Mariners whenever you are onboard?
Jamie
fireball
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As with all your examples Daka - there is plenty you don't tell us ... and once the argument goes one way you introduce another fact that changes the whole scenario ...
On the whole, No, I don't think sailing in "narrow channels" should be prohibited.
On the whole, No, I don't think sailing in "narrow channels" should be prohibited.
fireball
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How about a notice to Mariners whenever you are onboard?
We are coding an amendment to AIS ... Daka's boat will come up as a BLOCK RED flashing Icon - with a dotted circle to show the recommended exclusion zone.
flaming
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Out of interest - Which particular bit of narrow water was this?
DAKA
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Lymington, between berthon and yacht haven, out of interest do you consider that a narrow channel ?
fireball
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Doesn't that depend on whether you're a ferry captain or not?
DAKA
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Can you be more specific in regard to what the ferry captain is actually in at the moment in question.
I expect if the ferry captain is piloting a helicopter he couldnt claim he was constrained by his draft, but it would still be a narrow channel wouldnt it
flaming
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With the caveat that it's been a while since I last went to Lymington I'd also say "it depends".
To a ferry, yes of course. To a 20 something foot day boat (like the XODs that are common there) - no.
So where exactly does the line get drawn between a ferry and a day boat? I dunno.
flaming
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Or on further thought how about a rough and ready guideline of "If you can turn your boat around in the channel when travelling at the speed limit without altering speed or having to reverse etc - then it's not a narrow channel."
Would that have made your raggie in a narrow channel?
Would that have made your raggie in a narrow channel?
fireball
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Can you be more specific in regard to what the ferry captain is actually in at the moment in question.
I expect if the ferry captain is piloting a helicopter he couldnt claim he was constrained by his draft, but it would still be a narrow channel wouldnt it
Well - I suppose if he was desperate for a drink he could be constrained by his draught ...
benjenbav
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Interesting. There are a number of factors involved:
1 It would be surprising if the prevailing arrangement for training would be set up quite as it is today if it were starting out today. But, as far as I know, it's been going on since time immemorial and most people traversing that bit of water are aware that the children are learning to sail so that they need to be quite understanding of them.
2 The speed limit is 4 knots there. Brisk walking pace.
3 It's not really narrow unless there's a ferry taking up half of the channel.
4 Just because someone's shouting doesn't make them right.
DAKA
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The fairway he was heading down was 5 m wide
1/2 it so he can keep to stb = 2.5 m
- length of pram dinghy 3 m = -.5m
- beam 3m= -3.5m
So I guess its fair to say he couldnt turn around in the channel.
The main channel is 50m
1/2 = 25m
- 3 m= 22m
-3m = 19m
How many 30-40 ft boats can turn in 19 m ??
fireball
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At a suitable speed for the conditions ....
How many can't turn in 19m ?
How many can't stop in 19m ?
Tom Price
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[QUOTE=benjenbav:
"Interesting. There are a number of factors involved:
But, as far as I know, it's been going on since time immemorial and most people traversing that bit of water are aware that the children are learning to sail so that they need to be quite understanding of them."
Last mentioned officially in Local NTM No 14 of 2009 . And that only specifies a Safety Area NOT where they're active.
Since then - nothing.
Perhaps you could prompt Lymington Harbour Connissioners to publish comprehensive details AND an annual reminder . . .
"Interesting. There are a number of factors involved:
But, as far as I know, it's been going on since time immemorial and most people traversing that bit of water are aware that the children are learning to sail so that they need to be quite understanding of them."
Last mentioned officially in Local NTM No 14 of 2009 . And that only specifies a Safety Area NOT where they're active.
Since then - nothing.
Perhaps you could prompt Lymington Harbour Connissioners to publish comprehensive details AND an annual reminder . . .
flaming
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So he shouldn't be impeded in this narrow fairway he was heading down. (Which btw, is subtely different from what was implied in your earlier post - that it was the main channel we were talking about)
But a 40' boat is 12m, give or take. so 19m (accepting your argument about where the boat is in the channel) is just over 1.5 boat lengths.
1.5 boat lengths seems like a reasonable amount of space to turn around to me. And after all the channel is actually 50m - over 4 boatlengths - wide.
Which would tie in with my own assesment of the Hamble, a river I know very well. We frequently meet dinghies crewed by young and old alike, and I have always taken the standard COLREGS into account, it has never occured to me that I should claim narrow channel rights in the Hamble.