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We've had this out before and if I remember correctly we decided that the expensive stuff at the pontoon was heating oil anyway. If you've got a suitable tank buy it cheap.
2007 - No Red Deisel
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Re: Blame it all on Johnny Foreigner
Hmm. I did forward buy for some interim payments, to hold it's low level... but wd've been better off (tinily) letting it fal further.
I won't pickup your arguments or analysis in detail, although I would have liked to see some (any) "obvious benefits" of EC membership. Should we take the wrap for all those failures?
Maybe I have a problem with being governed by some idiot fool foreigners: I'd prefer to be governed by idiot fool uk-types who at least understand the abuse.
Hmm. I did forward buy for some interim payments, to hold it's low level... but wd've been better off (tinily) letting it fal further.
I won't pickup your arguments or analysis in detail, although I would have liked to see some (any) "obvious benefits" of EC membership. Should we take the wrap for all those failures?
Maybe I have a problem with being governed by some idiot fool foreigners: I'd prefer to be governed by idiot fool uk-types who at least understand the abuse.
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Re: sceptic
Well turned towards boats and boating!
I'm not rabid. But the ideal focus of your funds/bank account is a family, or whatever compostion, with common cause. Likewise the focus of local amenties (schools, bins, ,lighting) is the council. And that national government should sort out defence as should any head of a tribe or nation whose physical borders define the acceptable limits of encroachment..as do the limits of ...all the way back down to your own house. Before an EC, I would have liked to see a Common Market...which we've never had.
Well turned towards boats and boating!
I'm not rabid. But the ideal focus of your funds/bank account is a family, or whatever compostion, with common cause. Likewise the focus of local amenties (schools, bins, ,lighting) is the council. And that national government should sort out defence as should any head of a tribe or nation whose physical borders define the acceptable limits of encroachment..as do the limits of ...all the way back down to your own house. Before an EC, I would have liked to see a Common Market...which we've never had.
hlb
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Should be same diesel in boat as central heating, but check with supplier of your central heating oil. Then just need tap on bottom of tank and a hose down to boat. If not same then just buy another tank, there only cheap. Get it filled at same time as central heating. Then get a better price.
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Re: Blame it all on Johnny Foreigner
Agreed. I prefer to be governed by corrupt faceless Brits rather than corrupt faceless Eurocrats (especially Kinnock) but its the assumption that the UK is some sceptered paradise island (although the car manufacturers do refer to the UK as Treasure Island for obvious reasons)compared to the rest of Europe that is wrong.
As to the benefits, some might argue with this but the fact that Europe has managed to avoid a war for over 50yrs might be one. IMHO, any company doing business in Europe has also benefited greatly from Europe wide standards (the much reviled EC Directives) allowing any company to sell into any market providing they adhere to a uniform EC Directive; previously every country had their own peculiar standards, the French being particularly good at formulating standards and procedures to protect their own companies. Companies no longer have to pay VAT on importation (anyone remember deferement accounts?) and customs procedures are much simplified (my own company pays less transport cost/ton on European imports than 10 years ago). Now, the UK may have a trade deficit with Europe but it has a trade deficit with just about every country and that has nothing to do with the EC and everything to do with the home grown failures of UK Manufacturing PLC
As to the Euro experiment itself, it has great risks and I think the UK is right to sit on the fence and wait to see what happens but to dismiss it on the grounds of prejudice is a mistake
Agreed. I prefer to be governed by corrupt faceless Brits rather than corrupt faceless Eurocrats (especially Kinnock) but its the assumption that the UK is some sceptered paradise island (although the car manufacturers do refer to the UK as Treasure Island for obvious reasons)compared to the rest of Europe that is wrong.
As to the benefits, some might argue with this but the fact that Europe has managed to avoid a war for over 50yrs might be one. IMHO, any company doing business in Europe has also benefited greatly from Europe wide standards (the much reviled EC Directives) allowing any company to sell into any market providing they adhere to a uniform EC Directive; previously every country had their own peculiar standards, the French being particularly good at formulating standards and procedures to protect their own companies. Companies no longer have to pay VAT on importation (anyone remember deferement accounts?) and customs procedures are much simplified (my own company pays less transport cost/ton on European imports than 10 years ago). Now, the UK may have a trade deficit with Europe but it has a trade deficit with just about every country and that has nothing to do with the EC and everything to do with the home grown failures of UK Manufacturing PLC
As to the Euro experiment itself, it has great risks and I think the UK is right to sit on the fence and wait to see what happens but to dismiss it on the grounds of prejudice is a mistake
Gludy
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Re: Blame it all on Johnny Foreigner
Although I am against a common currency and much of what Brussels like to impose, I am all for a common trading block and do want free trade. We never really got there.
I remember when, even though we were a full member of the EEC, German magazines would not accept our adverts advertising goods in Germany because we had no German outlet and would have supplied direct at some 40% of the German market price for those goods. The magazines refused the adverts because it would upset their domestic market to much. Sure they were against the rules of the EEC but complaints through correct channels over here were bogged down in such a long winded procedure that in the end of the day, we gave in and accepted the reality rather than the theory.
At the same time, trying to trade with France with a French distributor involved what amounted to trading through real trade barriers that effectively protected their domestic industry ... and we were not trading in lamb with its more public trade barrier of just setting fire to the trucks.
So yes, I am very sceptical about how the EEC is run. I feel as if I do not even have an effective vote in the system nor that the public is able to really sack those in power who they do not want.
Anyway, back to boats. I have a deisel tank for tractor fuel etc the only problem seems to be transporting the fuel some 40 miles to the boat. I suppose it may pay to have a trailered fuel bowser but no doubt there are all sorts of laws and regulations against that. Taking the fuel down at say 10 gallons a time seems a bit slow - I would need to do 30 trips to fill her up. on the other hand why not just arrange to order the fuel from a normal central heating supplier and have them turn up alongside the quay at an arranged time? In fact, I bet a lot of other boats would want to be filled up this way as well, so it may be a nice little business for the company that does that.
I do know that the red deisel tank I have for tractors etc has a different fuel in it than supplied to the central heating tank. Once when I ran out of central heating fuel over last Xmas, I topped up the central heating tank with the fuel from my red deisel tank and although this worked, it was pointed out to me by the driver who deleivered the central heating fuel after Xmas that the red deisal was slightly different and not as good for my boiler as the proper stuff!
Paul
Although I am against a common currency and much of what Brussels like to impose, I am all for a common trading block and do want free trade. We never really got there.
I remember when, even though we were a full member of the EEC, German magazines would not accept our adverts advertising goods in Germany because we had no German outlet and would have supplied direct at some 40% of the German market price for those goods. The magazines refused the adverts because it would upset their domestic market to much. Sure they were against the rules of the EEC but complaints through correct channels over here were bogged down in such a long winded procedure that in the end of the day, we gave in and accepted the reality rather than the theory.
At the same time, trying to trade with France with a French distributor involved what amounted to trading through real trade barriers that effectively protected their domestic industry ... and we were not trading in lamb with its more public trade barrier of just setting fire to the trucks.
So yes, I am very sceptical about how the EEC is run. I feel as if I do not even have an effective vote in the system nor that the public is able to really sack those in power who they do not want.
Anyway, back to boats. I have a deisel tank for tractor fuel etc the only problem seems to be transporting the fuel some 40 miles to the boat. I suppose it may pay to have a trailered fuel bowser but no doubt there are all sorts of laws and regulations against that. Taking the fuel down at say 10 gallons a time seems a bit slow - I would need to do 30 trips to fill her up. on the other hand why not just arrange to order the fuel from a normal central heating supplier and have them turn up alongside the quay at an arranged time? In fact, I bet a lot of other boats would want to be filled up this way as well, so it may be a nice little business for the company that does that.
I do know that the red deisel tank I have for tractors etc has a different fuel in it than supplied to the central heating tank. Once when I ran out of central heating fuel over last Xmas, I topped up the central heating tank with the fuel from my red deisel tank and although this worked, it was pointed out to me by the driver who deleivered the central heating fuel after Xmas that the red deisal was slightly different and not as good for my boiler as the proper stuff!
Paul
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Re: Blame it all on Johnny Foreigner
As a Director of quite a large advertising agency I have never ever heard of German media refusing adverts from British bona fide firms.
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As a Director of quite a large advertising agency I have never ever heard of German media refusing adverts from British bona fide firms.
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JohnR
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Just ordered burning oil at 18.2p litre, so red should be around the same price. What is the difference between the two, my local sage says just some more lubricant and detergent in diesel. All my standing engines run on heating oil quite happily.
Gludy
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Re: Blame it all on Johnny Foreigner
Byron .... it happened in the late eighties with German specialised fishing magazines with the company tryuing to place the adverts being a well established bona fide UK company that wished to advertise and supply direct to the German consumer. The advertsing was not placed through an advertising agency.
At the timeGrman prices were between double and treble the UK prices for the same products and the magazine would not accept the adverts because it felt it would damage the its major German advertisers. It would have done this because at the time the German distributors were adding 110% markup and the retailers another 110% markup. The UK trade was living off very much lower margins. The magazine stated that they would not accept the adverts unless we had a German distributor. The effect of the price differential, the major well known name of the UK supplier would have had a major impact within the German market place. It would have been devastating for the German distributors/retailers.
The company trying to place the adverts was a major European name that is still a strong well known international name today. It was the case that in some specialised industries that there was effective resistance to free competition.
Paul
Byron .... it happened in the late eighties with German specialised fishing magazines with the company tryuing to place the adverts being a well established bona fide UK company that wished to advertise and supply direct to the German consumer. The advertsing was not placed through an advertising agency.
At the timeGrman prices were between double and treble the UK prices for the same products and the magazine would not accept the adverts because it felt it would damage the its major German advertisers. It would have done this because at the time the German distributors were adding 110% markup and the retailers another 110% markup. The UK trade was living off very much lower margins. The magazine stated that they would not accept the adverts unless we had a German distributor. The effect of the price differential, the major well known name of the UK supplier would have had a major impact within the German market place. It would have been devastating for the German distributors/retailers.
The company trying to place the adverts was a major European name that is still a strong well known international name today. It was the case that in some specialised industries that there was effective resistance to free competition.
Paul
byron
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Re: Blame it all on Johnny Foreigner
All I can say is a typical mug who feels they can do better than an ad agent. We would have got it in by leaning on people. An ad agent has clout, tons of clout especially when they call on other ad agents to clout too.
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All I can say is a typical mug who feels they can do better than an ad agent. We would have got it in by leaning on people. An ad agent has clout, tons of clout especially when they call on other ad agents to clout too.
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Bergman
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Re: Blame it all on Johnny Foreigner
No war for 50 years
Hmmmm
Perhaps fear of a common overriding threat from Red Army may have contributed a little
The track record for forcing independant states into a common federal structure is not encouraging.
Try Yugoslavia
or Soviet central Asia
or USA
or most of Europe under Napoleon
or ditto under Hitler.
Even our good old United Kingdom took several attempts before the rebelious Scots joined in - not to mention the Irish.
Never forget war is only the extension of politics by other means.
No war for 50 years
Hmmmm
Perhaps fear of a common overriding threat from Red Army may have contributed a little
The track record for forcing independant states into a common federal structure is not encouraging.
Try Yugoslavia
or Soviet central Asia
or USA
or most of Europe under Napoleon
or ditto under Hitler.
Even our good old United Kingdom took several attempts before the rebelious Scots joined in - not to mention the Irish.
Never forget war is only the extension of politics by other means.
Bergman
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The joys of raggydom
I spent £6 on diesel last season
If all else fails I do have a means of making diesel fuel from used chip fat (honest!)
Perhaps sail boat is good investment prices must go up if motor boat prices drop.
Life in the slow lane has its advantages
I spent £6 on diesel last season
If all else fails I do have a means of making diesel fuel from used chip fat (honest!)
Perhaps sail boat is good investment prices must go up if motor boat prices drop.
Life in the slow lane has its advantages
longjohnsilver
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Don't know what the difference is. My previous boat was sometimes run on heating oil with no apparent detriment.
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Re: chip fat
Now then, while scrounging some big old door mechanisms for my new boat shed ,I got chatting to the bloke who owned the land .He is in the RAF and very keen on conservation issues .
Any way he told me about the pet project at work which was getting diesel engines to run on cooking oil .This they did and it mainly came down to filtering and heating up of the oil to get the viscosity some where near right to enable better burning of the oil .It should be pointed out that this mean's only co2 emissions and not harmful carbon monoxide.
The only main draw back is the smell of Kebabs behind you !! .
Now then, while scrounging some big old door mechanisms for my new boat shed ,I got chatting to the bloke who owned the land .He is in the RAF and very keen on conservation issues .
Any way he told me about the pet project at work which was getting diesel engines to run on cooking oil .This they did and it mainly came down to filtering and heating up of the oil to get the viscosity some where near right to enable better burning of the oil .It should be pointed out that this mean's only co2 emissions and not harmful carbon monoxide.
The only main draw back is the smell of Kebabs behind you !! .
Bergman
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Re: chip fat
Its a bit more complex than that, at least the way I have seen is.
Uses benzine and produces a kind of soap as a by product. Don't know if its kind to hands though.
You're right about the smell bit of a give away to use in the car.
Its a bit more complex than that, at least the way I have seen is.
Uses benzine and produces a kind of soap as a by product. Don't know if its kind to hands though.
You're right about the smell bit of a give away to use in the car.
chippie
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Re: chip fat
Apparently a diesel type substitute can be made from nearly any oil base.
A few years ago I remember a news item showing tractors and trucks running on fuel made from rapeseed oil, and around the same time someone in the islands made a fuel from coconut oil. You could end up with a veritable bazaar of exotic smells; "and sir, our fuel of the day is:---"
Apparently a diesel type substitute can be made from nearly any oil base.
A few years ago I remember a news item showing tractors and trucks running on fuel made from rapeseed oil, and around the same time someone in the islands made a fuel from coconut oil. You could end up with a veritable bazaar of exotic smells; "and sir, our fuel of the day is:---"
Bergman
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Re: chip fat
Very true
If it burns when you make it hot it will work.
The engine Herr Diesel demonstrated at the great exhibition ran on coconut oil. His original intention was to run the thing on coal dust.
Maybe that could be the way to go.
Very true
If it burns when you make it hot it will work.
The engine Herr Diesel demonstrated at the great exhibition ran on coconut oil. His original intention was to run the thing on coal dust.
Maybe that could be the way to go.