2 shore power cables on a Fairline why?

jrudge said:
I think this is a little unfair.
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It would if I were defending the "offender" J, but I'm not.
All I'm saying is that an unpolite behaviour is not a good enough reason for reacting along the same lines, that's all.
I appreciate that I might be in a minority, with this thinking.
 
MapisM said:
It would if I were defending the "offender" J, but I'm not.
All I'm saying is that an unpolite behaviour is not a good enough reason for reacting along the same lines, that's all.
I appreciate that I might be in a minority, with this thinking.
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So seriously you’d waste an hour of your time waiting for officials to maybe sort out a problem you could solve in 10 seconds.

Of course if there’s somebody on board you ask which socket they want unplugging.
 
RupertW said:
So seriously you’d waste an hour of your time waiting for officials to maybe sort out a problem you could solve in 10 seconds.

Of course if there’s somebody on board you ask which socket they want unplugging.
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You are right, probably I wouldn't, if it were really a matter of waiting an hour and I had no other alternative for connecting my plug.
Now, do you mind answering my previous question about whether you'd waste (i.e. you actually wasted, in that situation) one minute of your time, if that, to write a brief note and leave it to the marina office?
 
So here in Porquerolles.
There’s a visitors pontoon with zilch services .15 years in the CdA experience says turn up and ask for a serviced berth AND a 32 A one , not any berth .




No services on the LHS - spot another Itama btw .Day stay guy .



Serviced one is where the Pershing 5x is in the background.
This means more manoeuvres, but so what ?



If we radioed in or internet via a berth Broker , then experience tells me we will end up in a duff berth .
3 chances so a 1in 3 probably if above method is used ? + stuff lost in translation.

1- zero services
2- 16 amp only
3- 32 Amp
So we barge in to the marina unannounced to be approached by marinaros in ribs with radios ashore .
Ask for exactly what we want .If no then may as well 8ugger off and anchor - geny etc .Save my € .


Near empty berth has twin 16 A so no use .



One 32 A each in between a 45 and 55 ftr yachts .


Point is you have to kinda make it happen can’t rely on radio etc .
 
Not a chance - I’m not old enough to have been brought up with notes - I don’t think I’ve used a pen or pencil in 10 years. Also not sure what the purpose would be - all marinas know that people with 2 (or 3 in one case) leads will plug them in if they can.
 
Maybe a two or more socket boat owner can answer my Q
What’s your expectation turning up at a busy popular summer marina and getting a berth , like the OP had posted ?


I mean virtually every boat in those pics had folks on holiday aboard .
 
Portofino said:
Just discovered another post it pic site as the forum things not playing ball today .




Here .
There’s 4 16amp and one red 64 amp , but no 32 !
The 32 is across the pontoon as you can see I had to place the lead . There were two on that .
This is a visitors pontoon at Lavandou.
Water is separate the in those little boxes .

It filled up by close of business but every body got plugged in in a bit haphazard way .
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The red is likely a three phase with 5 connections. Be careful this is 400VAC phase to phase, Neutral and Earth.
 
superheat6k said:
The red is likely a three phase with 5 connections. Be careful this is 400VAC phase to phase, Neutral and Earth.
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We got put on one of those in Palma, Mallorca last year. Was a bit miffed as I thought I had every adaptor ever made until then. Now have one that takes one phase for a 33amp adaptor but feel a bit selfish so will probably split out another phase in case another boat needs it if I’m put on a red plug again.
 
RupertW said:
Not a chance - I’m not old enough to have been brought up with notes - I don’t think I’ve used a pen or pencil in 10 years. Also not sure what the purpose would be - all marinas know that people with 2 (or 3 in one case) leads will plug them in if they can.
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Understood.
I just can't see why you feel the need to make up some funny justifications of your attitude, when it's crystal clear that it's simply driven by the fact that you don't give a damn about your "offending" neighbors, regardless of their reasons.
Wouldn't it be simpler to just call a spade a spade?
Anyway, hey-ho!
 
MapisM said:
Can't you actually get 230V only from one phase+neutral, when using one of those red 3ph sockets?
Phase+earth would trip the RCD, afaik.
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Sure- you obvs wouldn’t connect phase to earth. I was merely stating the voltage between any phase and earth, which is indeed 230v

Yes indeed you do actually get 230v between a phase and neutral. That is exactly what a single phase 230v supply basically is- one of the phases and neutral.

I’m skipping over the technicalities of the non differences between neutral and earth.

So if you are in a berth and have a 3ph socket, and a single phase boat, just connect the live of your cable to any one of the 3 phase pins in your plug, and connect the neutral and earth, and just ignore the other two phase pins in the plug, and you will have single phase shore power from a 3 phase supply.
 
Even though the boat next door has pinched your socket for his second lead and you just unplug it, you could be unplugging a freezer. I may not want to be next to a boat with a lot of rotting smoked salmon on board.
If they are have used all availible sockets I use a Y splitter and tell them they will momentarily be off
 
Rocksteadee said:
Even though the boat next door has pinched your socket for his second lead and you just unplug it, you could be unplugging a freezer. I may not want to be next to a boat with a lot of rotting smoked salmon on board.
If they are have used all availible sockets I use a Y splitter and tell them they will momentarily be off
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I am struggling with this thread. The person knows they are taking a socket that is not theirs. There is only one socket per berth. They must accept the consequences of that. If they plug in a freezer ( which having had too many power failures and ruined food I never do now!) then that was their choice. What did they honestly expect to happen when the boat on that berth returns?

If you have a Y connector to hand and dont need the full power of the socket then this is all very sociable.

Likewise if I was visiting I would plug into another socket if in range, but if either of these are not possible just unplug it.

If I took 2 I would fully expect to come back to only one!
 
Rocksteadee said:
Even though the boat next door has pinched your socket for his second lead and you just unplug it, you could be unplugging a freezer.
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But if he is using his and your socket he is stealing your electric assuming you are on a metered supply
 
jfm said:
So if you are in a berth and have a 3ph socket, and a single phase boat, just connect the live of your cable to any one of the 3 phase pins in your plug, and connect the neutral and earth, and just ignore the other two phase pins in the plug, and you will have single phase shore power from a 3 phase supply.
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Best not to fiddle yourself :encouragement:
I was in San Remo once and the guy in to office next to the visitors arrival berth said he would send a electrician round to connect us up .Dont do anything yourself .
Off we went to our berth , marinaros helped with the lines , then a guy in three wheeler ape came and when I gave him my shore lower lead he got an adapter from the vehicle and opened up his male end , re wired it and plugged it in then my lead into the female end .
At the end he said hand it in the marina office when you leave .

I can’t remember the exact colour, but we were in a 80 ftr berth.

I,ve been since many times and when in a 15 M berth our 32 A fits ...in the normal way .... as it should .
But the guy is full time and his 3 wheeler can be seen buzzing about attending to other guests .
 
jrudge said:
I am struggling with this thread. The person knows they are taking a socket that is not theirs. There is only one socket per berth. They must accept the consequences of that. If they plug in a freezer ( which having had too many power failures and ruined food I never do now!) then that was their choice. What did they honestly expect to happen when the boat on that berth returns?

If you have a Y connector to hand and dont need the full power of the socket then this is all very sociable.

Likewise if I was visiting I would plug into another socket if in range, but if either of these are not possible just unplug it.

If I took 2 I would fully expect to come back to only one!
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Not convinced I'd like to be supplying another boat with electricity via my Y. What happens if he electrocutes himself from it.
 
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