YM

[ccscott49]

OK, I would like to do a YM practical exam. But I'm in the med and would want to do it on my own boat, but of course the RYA accepted methods of man overboard would not work on my boat.
I've devised my own to suit her, it's a motor sailer aswell, more sail assisted motor boat, so would I do sail or motor YM?
I have done virtually all my miles in tidal waters, but now being in the med, I would only get a non tidal cert.
I am not going to UK on somebody elses boat I do not know and do it, I wouldn't have a clue how to operate it and I do not have the time to come and do a course.
I would like to do a theory course, I learn better with an instructor, but also don't have the time. The theory I would have to do by book, or correspondence, also a pain in the arse, as I know most of it and what I don't remember is only a little, brush up on meteorology etc. I've already started to do astro.
Actually the more I think about it, do I really need this, the simple answer is No, I'll just find somebody in the med to do my ICC with! The minimum I need to satify the paperwork merchants is what I need really, (although I've never been asked for anything, maybe it's the boat) I don't need a piece of paper to show charter people or prove what a wonderful seaman I am etc. I don't intend chartering my boat again, I had a Salcombe/Dartmouth/Southwest boatmans licence in the UK, for that.
I'd appreciate any advice/info, but I think I may have answered my own question if there ever was one, maybe just rambling and thinking out loud, with all this talk of YM and RYA etc..

 

[Guest]

I think you have answered your own question.From the posts of yours that I have read it would appear that you have cruised a lot of places apparently without mishap.If there are no insurance requirements or other constraints then why bother?You know far better than I what the chances are of you being picked up for no ICC but it seems that you are addressing that.If you were just starting out in sailing then it would be an entirely different matter.Happy Christmas/New Year.

 

[ccscott49]

Well, not too many mishaps anyway, just enough to know "not to do that again"! Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you aswell!

 

[jimi]

Colin, from what I understand, you can now do YM in the Med if you've got the qualifying tidal mileage. I would think that the acceptable MOB is on that works! I'd be interested on any YM instructors views on that?

 

[ccscott49]

Apart from Gib to Barcelona all my mileage is tidal, although it's still tidal along the Spanish coat for quite aways, where do they consider tidal stops, Gib? It's actually still tidal in Barcelona, a little!!

 

[snowleopard]

restricted ticket...

heard of someone who took his exam on a motorsailer, his ticket was endorsed as power only (as opposed to sail with auxiliary which is the 'normal' version)

 

[colvic]

Like yourself, we are in the Med, well will be when I can get the Insurance Co. to do something constructive, and I opted to take the YM in Dartmouth with Dart Sailing. Spent a freezing cold November w/e in the company of four young men going to sea for the first time to find out if they'd like it, in a Benetau that couldn't get round the point to Torquay. Spent all day Saturday going up and down the Dart and Sunday was a quick nip to sea, do the man overboard routine which I have to say was simply brilliant and easy and kadn't faiedl after six goes.

Took twenty four hours to warm up, £160 poorer and never been asked for it in over four years! Showed it to the Gurdia Civil launch skipper that rescued us off Barcelona in October.

Don't bother.

Phil

 

[ccscott49]

Re: restricted ticket...

I think I've made my decision!! ICC in med somewhere just for the piece of paper! Then that's it, I'll forget the rest and continue to cruise 1500-2000 miles a year and enjoy myself.

 

[dk]

Colin

The certificates are no longer stamped tidal or non-tidal - the RYA no longer discriminates.

Duncan

 

[ccscott49]

Bloody hell! You mean a guy who does all his sailing in say greece, who doesn't know about 10meter tides, can do a YM practical and it's just the same as one got in the bristol channel? Bloody amazing! I'll do ine in the meddy then!

 

[hlb]

I'll teach you next week Colin, dont worry.

<font color=blue>Haydn

 

[peterb]

1 You can do your Yachtmaster exam in the Med.

2 Although Day Skipper and Coastal Skipper can both be obtained as either Tidal or Non-tidal, it is assumed that Yachtmasters will know how to deal with tides. Yachtmaster therefore is not sub-divided.

3 If you do your Yachtmaster exam in the Med, then your tidal abilities will be tested theoretically. You may be asked about passage planning and course plotting in tidal areas, and to calculate tidal heights.

4 There has never really been an "RYA approved" method of MOB recovery. Anything that worked was OK. But opinion has been shifting from 'must be done under sail' to 'would you be able to explain to the coroner why you didn't start the engine?'

5 Contrary to what is often believed, there is no requirement to take any sailing course (theory or practical) before taking the exam (although you must hold VHF and first aid certificates). But it's not a bad idea to go out with an instructor beforehand. If he does his thing in a different way to yours, then at least you'll have a chance to discuss it. Maybe you're right, maybe he is, maybe both ways work; it's surprising what you can learn from being with someone who has had a different experience.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by peterb on 21/12/2002 19:36 (server time).</FONT></P>

 

[Gunfleet]

I think you might be surprised at the level of ICC. It's well below Day Skipper practical, which is why they are handed out to Day Skipper ticket holders. If you want the CEVNI version it's comically simple. The paper is multiple choice, and usually two choices are bonkers, one is simply wrong and one is right. I scored 100% and trust me, I am no expert.

 

[jimmie]

Colin & Haydn, have either of you considered night skipper?

Jemz

 

[chippie]

Colin, You already know that you are a competent skipper so why worry?
I have noticed a lot of postings on these forums regarding the various amatuer qualifications , and while the promotion of education is neccesary and important I do get the feeling that some people only feel legitimate sailors once they have them, no matter how many years experience they may have.(sort of a Boy Scout get the next badge syndrome?)
It makes sense to have these quals. if one is a beginner or one's insurance company requires it or gives a discount (as mine does here in NZ), after that, more sailing makes one a better sailor . All IMHO
Seasons Greetings.

 

[poter]

Colin.

hi just wanted to say ... how many years have you been on the water, from sking in Dubai right up to your own boat in the med? like me you have been messing about on the sea for too long to put up with the bull. Yes I did go ang get an RYA day skip to get my ICC but I was not asked once for any docs in Greece even by the local charter company rep, and I was told by the charter co that I would definitly need it.
My point is you are on your own yacht if the locals don't like it you move on.

Have a good one mate and don't do to much damage to the liver.


poter.

 

[ccscott49]

Poter,
I hera you! You have a good one too mate, too late for my liver!!

Colin.

 

[ccscott49]

Already have that qualification, with endorsements! Stoppit your making me blush!!

 

[qsiv]

Non tidal - wow thats just such hard work! I got a real buzz from seing 18.8 knots on my GPS last summer is we charged down the Alderney Race last October - all those free miles.

OTOH - not having to wait for lockin/out times could be quite appealing as well!

 

[philmarks]

What about doing a cert with that new US Co, IYT? Fascinating the way they've trademarked Yachtmaster (TM)!

Mandatory certification is inevitable, and, I believe necessary, given the number of irresponsible people on the water these days, unfortunately mostly in the power camp. Most sailors havelearned through a sailing club or a pal who has taught them.

Many power owners (and I include here the plethora of small craft used mainly for leisure fishing) have not had any even semi-formal learning (and I know a few).

I went and got the ICC for bureaucracy's sake (Spain etc) in Portsmouth last year - it was easy and included MOB recovery; however most of the test was verbal ("war" stories etc). A good examiner can tell, particulalry if supproted by a logbooks.

Time was 30 yrs ago when a pal was running a Local Authority night school and asked if I'd teach Coastal Skipper, I did for one winter. Very rewarding, but other business pressures prevented me from continuing. I still don't have a formal RYA qualification, although I taught it!

I don't know where I'm going with this post, just a reflection of how times have changed.

I've come round recently to the selfish view that I don't want to see a growing marine industry - it just means more pressure on moorings, fewer quiet anchorages and so on.


Phil