Yat Lift - Bodrum - Review & Alert

[Chuteman]

In hopes this might help just one owner or inform someone considering this yard.

I’ll start with the Positives
Reception - Nurten - She is by far the shining star of this operation. Always pleasant, patient in answering numerous questions about procedures, issues, etc and providing information about the area, transportation, etc. She speaks multiple languages including English, French and German. She answers the phone, VHF and general email.
Haul & Launch Team - A group of four men who often work long hours hauling, pressure washing, switching boat from Travel Lift to smaller yard Transport, placing boats on their stands and hustling back for another one. At times, they will haul in one direction & launch on the return trip. They carefully move boats in close quarters often with inches or less to spare. Experienced and skilled at what they do
General Atmosphere - Despite the language differences, the staff (security, yard workers, contractors) and boat owners are friendly

Now the other side
Yard Grime - Although you might be told that messy/dirty work is only done in certain areas, contained to the boat being worked on or won’t affect your boat. Don’t believe it. There is work of all sorts imaginable being done throughout the yard. If your boat just happens to be next to a boat being worked on, you will see the evidence when you return. Some (only a few lucky ones) owners have full covers on their boats that protect from all the various projects that spring up all over the place plus the local red sand/dust for good measure.
Contracting Work - If you need any work done on your boat, the procedure is to contact the office who will arrange for you. Of course, the get a € % on top of the amount charged by the contractor and they handle the accounting/payments (charged in euros & was not cheap).
I witnessed (and experienced a couple) more than a few instances where owners had arranged for work to be done but for whatever reason it was not completed as promised. There appears to be no organized system to handle the requests, assign the work, schedule completion, etc. As a result, more promises (too many) are made and not enough kept. Then at some point the owner complains loudly and a swarm of workers appear to resolve the matter It is entertaining to watch when it’s not your boat.
There is a young lady (who replaced another one) who acts as an interpreter/ coordinator with Mustafa who is the person in charge. I will say that the Sail Repair contractor (on-site) was responsive & effective.

Yard Charges & Accounting - WARNING
I’ll skip the details but all I’ll say is that the principal involved, Gunhan, is less than an honorable person to say the least. He claims that ALL owners receive a written Quotation (news to me) that is signed by all parties. If they fail to complete that process in a timely fashion, insist that it happens because he will not honor email Quotations/commitments no matter how many times they are exchanged with him and he actively participates with pricing & confirmations (written or verbal).
Sort of like our presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, who President Obama has accurately labeled all his position changes & reversals, “Romnesia”.
It happens at Yat Lift too.

Bottom Line with any business transaction = would You do business with them again in the future - for me the answer would be NO.

Good Luck

 

[Marsupial]

Chuteman, lots gets lost in translation.

"He claims that ALL owners receive a written Quotation"

What he means is all owners can have a written quotation,

The way of doing business in Turkey is this, The customer writes a contract, he then goes to a notary with the supplier and in your and my case the contract is translated and signed (after a couple of wrangles and modifications), the contract is then legal and binding on both parties. Its standard in Turkey, for buying cars, houses, boats having work done, notary offices are the busiest in town.

You have to take a view on if you want to go to all the bother and expense, however, with no legal contract a supplier can take as long as he likes and charge as much as he likes the customer has no redress in Turkish law, with a contract the remedy's are draconian. and the dodgy suppliers know that.

 

[charles_reed]

Ah! The multiple maze of Ottoman bureaucracy.

 

[Chuteman]

Conveniently Lost

Chuteman, lots gets lost in translation.

"He claims that ALL owners receive a written Quotation"

What he means is all owners can have a written quotation,

and the dodgy suppliers know that.

Lost in Translation - Agree however that can be turned on & off depending if it's in their favor or not.

Quotation - Since it was last second news to me, he presented it as ALL owners receive when they arrive & around the time the boat is hauled. It was NEVER mentioned, suggested, offered, etc - even when I paid the initial 50% deposit which was based on the email "quotation" acceptance & agreement. If this was a case of a quick / short interaction then sure a "misunderstanding" could occur but when it involves an extended period of time & a number of messages exchanged - it is something else.

Chalk it up to a "lesson learned", another one - that hopefully someone else can benefit from the WARNING

P.S. There are probably other observations, hints or info that might be helpful to a new or prospect client - that I will gladly share - You can PM me if that is better.
One example - as they were about to launch my boat (on the travel lift near the pit), the aforementioned Receptionist Nurten approached me near the Travel Lift to inform me that I owed 5€ in Elec charge - Since it was Her, I retrieved the 5€ in coins (I did not have paper €) and handed it to her in the office - shortly after she walked back out to the pit and informed me that they do not accept coins because the Banks won't take them. Disbelief was only one of my reactions, given the timing & amount involved. This operation is large enough, handles many € transactions in cash, CC, etc.......yet they could not figure a way to convert 5€ in coins at that particular time.

 

[Sybaris]

.......yet they could not figure a way to convert 5€ in coins at that particular time.

I think all businesses in Turkey should live up to the fact that they now have a stable economy and a currency of their own and stop quoting and charging in Euros.

 

[Chuteman]

Me Too

I think all businesses in Turkey should live up to the fact that they now have a stable economy and a currency of their own and stop quoting and charging in Euros.

That might have been my biggest surprise upon arrival in Turkey........I was yearning to escape the Euro (the exchange rate is painful for the poor USD) and the first ATM I hit it gave the option of TL or €. Huh???
Then Yat Lift and many other services seem to freely only quote in Euro.
I thought maybe I made a major navigational error except the the language & sea of red Turkish flags said no.
To me it's a clever ruse to charge more but I might be a little biased

 

[Capt Popeye]

Very interesting reading

'when in Rome do as the ..............

one cannot assume that 'other' countries 'do business' in, what to is 'us', a proper fashion!

them's them and us is us!

and with monetry exchanges all awry on the that continent, who knows!

 

[Marsupial]

Very interesting reading

'when in Rome do as the ..............

one cannot assume that 'other' countries 'do business' in, what to is 'us', a proper fashion!

them's them and us is us!

and with monetry exchanges all awry on the that continent, who knows!

actually in a way they do business in a very proper way, they acknowledge that a verbal contract isn't worth the paper its not written on so for protection their law insists that every contract is written and recorded; with honest traders this isn't a problem and most are honest - so you don't need a written contract. If time or quality is a issue I would get a contract. The currency thing does annoy, prices change from pounds to euros to lira to dollars - don't for one moment think they are confused, they know more about fx than wall street, they are out to confuse you; when possible I walk away from these transactions if they refuse to deal in lira. Kas marina price in euros, when I went to pay I asked them what currency they put through their books - Turkish Lira of course was the answer, I hastily changed my method of payment as the rate they offered was amazing (in my favour) I paid in lira.

Interesting fact: Turkey is now (I think) the only country in the world where a business does not have to keep or file accounts.

 

[Squeaky]

Good afternoon;

Marsupial: Interesting fact: Turkey is now (I think) the only country in the world where a business does not have to keep or file accounts.

I am glad you included (I think) in your comment because business must keep and file accounts in Turkey.

I had a registered business in Turkey and the cost of paperwork and an accountant hastened my decision to cease trading. Fortunately I was able to sell the business without de-registering it as that would have cost a lot of money and taken a long time.

I am not suggesting that every business or tradesman maintain what one might expect in the way of records but when called upon they must produce records which again, of course, might not record all the business they have done. After all, this is Turkey.

I don't know anyone who has written a proper contract and had it notarized as I don't think it would be worth a darn considering the speed with the judiciary system moves. The legal system is not something that a foreigner should want to become involved with - I know a couple involved in a court case concerning the purchase of a property which is now in its eleventh year.

It might be an advantage to write down the details of what is expected and have it signed to provide a record if the work is not completed. I know a man who recently involved the marina management when a company cheated him with false charges - the company stood to lose access to the marina and quickly refunded the amount overcharged.

Cheers

Squeaky

 

[Marsupial]

Good afternoon;

Marsupial: Interesting fact: Turkey is now (I think) the only country in the world where a business does not have to keep or file accounts.

I am glad you included (I think) in your comment because business must keep and file accounts in Turkey.

I had a registered business in Turkey and the cost of paperwork and an accountant hastened my decision to cease trading. Fortunately I was able to sell the business without de-registering it as that would have cost a lot of money and taken a long time.

I am not suggesting that every business or tradesman maintain what one might expect in the way of records but when called upon they must produce records which again, of course, might not record all the business they have done. After all, this is Turkey.

I don't know anyone who has written a proper contract and had it notarized as I don't think it would be worth a darn considering the speed with the judiciary system moves. The legal system is not something that a foreigner should want to become involved with - I know a couple involved in a court case concerning the purchase of a property which is now in its eleventh year.

It might be an advantage to write down the details of what is expected and have it signed to provide a record if the work is not completed. I know a man who recently involved the marina management when a company cheated him with false charges - the company stood to lose access to the marina and quickly refunded the amount overcharged.

Cheers

Squeaky

Sorry Squeaky but your on my turf, its a professional thing - you should understand sorry you should have understood, YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP ACCOUNTS IN TURKEY at least not until the new law comes in in January 2013. If you operate without noterised contracts for important projects - even in Turkey - then more fool you! the fact there is a legal contract means things will happen properly - most of the time, and seeking a legal remedy is not often required. Remedies without contracts get "messy" let's leave it at that.

Sorry MATE but you are way off on this one.

try here for info, it may not be the best source but its the best I could do in 30 seconds

http://www.turkishtax.com/turkish-commercial-code.html

 

[Squeaky]

Marsupial: International Financial Reporting Standards and Statutory Ledgers:
Traditionally, bookkeeping and commercial accounting are heavily affected by tax regulations in this country. Foreign investors have found accounting difficult to understand due to different tax rules. However, commercial accounts will be kept according to the Turkish Accounting Standards in compliance with the International Accounting Standards as of the date 01.01.2013. The financial statements have to be prepared in conformity with the Turkish Financial Reporting Standards in line with International Financial Reporting Standards (“IFRS”).
Thanks god, foreign companies operating in Turkey do not have to keep accounts according to tax legislation and convert into IFRS anymore. One single IFRS reporting will be fine for your international consolidated financial reports and local needs.

I might not be a professional on the subject of taxation however the above seems to indicate that the rules are changing so that FOREIGN companies do not have to maintain records under the Turkish Accounting Standards beginning in Jan 2013. It does not say that accounts do not have to be maintained - simply the system is changing allowing use of a International Standards.

In any event this says nothing about Turkish companies which I believe one would be dealing with if entering into a contract with a local company.

This forum is about yachts and yachting so lets leave the ins and outs, rights and wrongs of international and Turkish company law to appropriate sites and get on "yachty" stuff.

Cheers

Squeaky

 

[Chuteman]

Maybe

Very interesting reading

'when in Rome do as the ..............

one cannot assume that 'other' countries 'do business' in, what to is 'us', a proper fashion!

them's them and us is us!

and with monetry exchanges all awry on the that continent, who knows!

I followed the lead of the Vendor & Principal, at NO time (in 11 months) did he indicate anything additional was necessary or a problem existed electronically or verbally when I was physically there (4 times including arrival & departure - probably for at least 40 days total) so I thought I was doing what "Rome" required.
Assume = Agree, I assumed I was dealing with an Honest & Honorable person & professional business. I was wrong - so I have to accept the responsibility.
I paid the price of my error - I'm just trying to help others avoid my misstep.

 

[Chuteman]

Other Matters

After the back & forth, I thought about other areas I could have Reviewed or Commented on

WCs - Mixed
Certainly a necessary element when your boat is on the hard. During "off" season less busy times, they (can only comment on Men's) are more than adequate - 2 showers, urinals & 3 stalls + 3 sinks with mirrors & electrical outlets. BUT during busy times, the place can turn into a farmyard bath.
Users (only boat owners or crew) seem to track in all sorts of dirt, grime, etc directly into the showers or are washing dirty items. Coupled with housekeeping that is usually only done once (in the am) It is not pleasant by days end. Even the mop left to wipe up excess water & mess stands unused. So for someone like me who likes to wait for the crowd to ease, some clean up was necessary to have a suitable place to get clean.

Water & Electricity - Mixed
The yard has installed automated "stations" that have electrical outlets & water outlets (3 each). They are activated by your magnetic "boat card" which gives you access to WCs & guess can be used as an ID with security. You position the card in front of the sensor & if authorized it will activate one outlet - repeat on the water side to start flow. Remember to deactivate.
The problem - the yard is large and depending on where your boat is located - the station might be a long way away. I had to borrow an extension and barely made it at one location. BTW - the extension lit up the reverse polarity on the but an electrician fixed one time & I did another time(different extension).
The usage is supposedly tracked & charged - but can be inconsistent. You might find open/activated water or electricity left open by boat owners or workers all over the yard - you also might find multiple outlets hung off one station left open by workers.........good luck with that.

Outside Wash Areas - Adequate
1) Sail & Gear washing Pool - next to WCs with a halyard for sails & open water hose. Was in high demand to match high end of season hauling activity - but seemed to meet the needs of patrons
2) Misc Sinks - there are two sinks outside between the Office Bldg & WCs - Not exactly sanitary - but good for rinsing clothes, dishes, small items.

Yard Restaurant/Pub - Not for Me
There is a restaurant with a small inside dining area & larger outside partially covered area. After several samplings, I avoided it. Yet at times it seemed to be busy with a noisy crowd (boat owners/guests). I found the food offerings to be narrow = this is what I cooked so this is what you eat, lukewarm & not happy when asked to warm up (used microwave = the last straw) and value was low. Maybe in busier times the offerings are better.

Local Area - Rural - OK - but basic
YatLift is NOT in Bodrum, it is Icmler - about 15 min drive outside the Bodrum
There are several other boat yards nearby, a string of Chandleries/Supply houses/Contractors/Yacht Service - There are several mini-markets and a couple of restaurants primarily serving the Yard workers during the day especially lunch. One of the restaurants (2nd one on right walking away from Yat Lift) regularly offers good food at a reasonable cost. If you go a little early (best seats & best choice) or after the noon crush, it is best. The mini-markets are good for cold drinks, snacks, basic staples, etc.

Local Transportation - Good
There is a big network of Mini-Van/Buses that cover the entire Bodrum + surrounding areas. It is based at the Bus terminal as a connection point to the downtown area & long distance Buses which are active too.
They run from approximately 7am to 11pm depending on direction. The price recently went up 3 TL one way but they will take € too (surprise)
They run frequently, clean, will stop with a wave of a hand, fit about 12 people but I've been on a few with much more (exception) So You really don't need a car to travel around.
Taxi - there are plenty & the office/Nurten will help arrange - they run 24/7. Several Taxi stands around town with a large one at Bus Terminal - of course more expensive than Mini/Bus - it was 20 TL+ to the bus station early one am to catch AtlasJet bus

Provisions - Good
There is a full service Supermarket at the Bus Terminal in Bodrum - Hard to see from outside because of the old construction of the bus station & open market area that is in front - but it's there. I used a piece of luggage to bring my items back on mini-bus & other times just carried multiple bags. It is a 2 story supermarket with paper, toiletries & other non-food items on 2nd floor.
The BEST days to go shopping is when the Farmer's Market is operating in front of the supermarket. It is HUGE - spilling out into paths leading into market. It has every imaginable veggie, fruit, cheese and other local food item/treat.
It is fun just to walk through & talk with vendors for will offer samples + try to sell their goods.

Animals - Ruff-Ruff
Hope You like barking dogs........there is a pack of "junk yard" dogs inside the yard, out on the street and in surrounding yards + a few brave cats. One dog barking a 100 nm way can set off the whole pack at any hour of day or night.
But they tend to ignore humans if you ignore them, you might find them paying under your boat to duck sun, heat or rain but will move along if asked.

Basic Safety/Security - Fine
There is a security guard 24 hrs a day and the gate is usually closed after business hours to block vehicles. Never seen them patrolling but I guess the barking dogs help with that. Boat or contents seem to be left without any concern for thefts or damage.

OK, think that covers most of the areas that might be of interest, if You have questions, PM or add to thread

 

[liverpool]

YATLIFT

My first impressions of Yatlift after arriving and being lifted out this autumn are very favourable. Will be able to give better assessment next summer after inspecting completion of various jobs by the yard but on arrival this autumn I found the yard to be well run, the team friendly and helpful and the work good. Several boats nearby have been wintering there for several years and are all happy overall with services. On Chuteman's negatives my own views are:
1. Grime - in every yard I've wintered in the boat has been covered in grime/dust come spring time - expect it will be here too - will see in April! Hope its not as bad as sand from the sahara!
2. Outside Contractors - think its common practice to add a %age commission - key question is whether its excessive - from quotes I've received it doesn't appear to be to me as final prices quoted are better than other yards I've used (UK and Med).
3. Organisation of work - so far it seems to me things get done although (again like most yards I've used) owners need to keep on top of things.
4. Quotation/Contract - Yard provided without my asking a written quotation for the work I discussed with them - most important message I take from discussion is need to follow up to get written confirmation of any changes - thanks for the warning. But again don't believe this is different anywhere - worst experience for me has been in one of the leading yards in Solent!
5. Euro's vs Lira - what's most important to me is the price! But actually easier for me (and probably many EU owners) to pay euros. If their exchange rate is much worse than my bank's then of course I'll pay in Lira (or £'s or $'s - whatever gets me lowest cost!).
6. WC's - not the best but OK and certainly not the worst. Yard could clean them more frequently but equally the clients could also leave them cleaner!
7. Elec/Water - card system seemed to work fine for me - but of course you must remember to deactivate to prevent someone else using your account (would other boat owners stoop so low?).
8. Restaurant - yes basic but pleasant and food OK and as said there are others just outside the yard.
Will be able to provide an update in May if others interested.

 

[Appleyard]

My first impressions of Yatlift after arriving and being lifted out this autumn are very favourable. Will be able to give better assessment next summer after inspecting completion of various jobs by the yard but on arrival this autumn I found the yard to be well run, the team friendly and helpful and the work good. Several boats nearby have been wintering there for several years and are all happy overall with services. On Chuteman's negatives my own views are:
1. Grime - in every yard I've wintered in the boat has been covered in grime/dust come spring time - expect it will be here too - will see in April! Hope its not as bad as sand from the sahara!
2. Outside Contractors - think its common practice to add a %age commission - key question is whether its excessive - from quotes I've received it doUesn't appear to be to me as final prices quoted are better than other yards I've used (UK and Med).
3. Organisation of work - so far it seems to me things get done although (again like most yards I've used) owners need to keep on top of things.
4. Quotation/Contract - Yard provided without my asking a written quotation for the work I discussed with them - most important message I take from discussion is need to follow up to get written confirmation of any changes - thanks for the warning. But again don't believe this is different anywhere - worst experience for me has been in one of the leading yards in Solent!
5. Euro's vs Lira - what's most important to me is the price! But actually easier for me (and probably many EU owners) to pay euros. If their exchange rate is much worse than my bank's then of course I'll pay in Lira (or £'s or $'s - whatever gets me lowest cost!).
6. WC's - not the best but OK and certainly not the worst. Yard could clean them more frequently but equally the clients could also leave them cleaner!
7. Elec/Water - card system seemed to work fine for me - but of course you must remember to deactivate to prevent someone else using your account (would other boat owners stoop so low?).
8. Restaurant - yes basic but pleasant and food OK and as said there are others just outside the yard.
Will be able to provide an update in May if others interested.

We are now into our fourth winter at Yatlift,and would agree with you. It is a working boatyard,not a marina,and as such is a lot better than others we have used in the past.
Re the WC's.. There is always a busy period every morning and the place gets well used at this time,but there is a worker who is employed solely to keep the yard clean, and he cleans the bogs as well after the morning rush.

Believe me,my SWMBO would not be a happy bunny if the ladies was not kept clean.
The only work they have done for me has been recovering the interior upholstery,regalvanising the anchor chain and polishing the topsides (birthday pressy for herself) ...never let it be said that I don't know how to treat a gal.
In all cases I wa gives a printed quote,and the work was done well and on budget.

There has been a lot of money spent in the yard in recent years,completely tarmacadamed,plenty of electric/water supply points at a reasonable rate,and the old timber props consigned to the firewood stack And replaced by solid galvanised tripod supports. They also recently bought a pukka hydraulic transporter to move the boats around the yard.
The cost has gone up...a bit, but is still very good value.
If there is a downside ,I would say that the launching bay is a bit exposed,and in a swell ,can be slightly hairy,added to which,the passing Galoots heading to and from Bodrum often send in a swell which is a bit of a nuisance,but the launch team can handle it.

One thing not mentioned...the small "beach" beside the launch bay is a great place to cool off.

 

[marcohain]

My first impressions of Yatlift after arriving and being lifted out this autumn are very favourable. Will be able to give better assessment next summer after inspecting completion of various jobs by the yard but on arrival this autumn I found the yard to be well run, the team friendly and helpful and the work good.

Hello Liverpool!
I am considering leaving my boat (Oceanis 393) in this yard this year and would be very interested to know about your experience. Any trouble with Gunhan not sticking to his internet quotes (ref Chuteman's comments)? Also, I do not like too mony transfers of my boat from crane to trailor to craddle and back. Can they not use just their travelift to bring the boat to its craddle, like in other yards? Do they pay attention to locating the slings and supports at the proper (vendor recommended and marked) locations on the hull?
Thanks for your feedback.

 

[Appleyard]

May I answer your question ? And apologies if I repeat my earlier comments.
Firstly, Gunhan has always given me a firm quotation for the year ,and this is the price that I have paid. Also although I have only had a couple of small jobs done by them,they have on every occasion given a written quote ,even though I did not ask for it.
Re transfers from water to cradle..
They lift using a travelift and hence to a proper hydraulic trailer. Every time I have watched the team doing this and they are very meticulous in checking the slings,and locating the support points . The boat is then put onto purpose made tripod supports which are chained together .
The reason that they do not use the travelift all the way is because the yard is relatively small in area and this enables them to store the boats closer together.
Last autumn (2013) they bought a big (200 Tonne) travelift and correspondingly big trailer .They are also rebuilding the loading bay and surrounding area,the old bay was getting a bit past its best.
As I said We are now spending our 5th winter with them and cannot recommend them highly enough.
There are now two new restaurants outside the yard ,and we tried them both last time..£3 per head for lunch..workers menu.

PS I really cannot understand Chuteman's comments. We met him several times when we were there and he seemed perfectly happy . Who knows?

 

[charles_reed]

May I answer your question ? And apologies if I repeat my earlier comments.
Firstly, Gunhan has always given me a firm quotation for the year ,and this is the price that I have paid. Also although I have only had a couple of small jobs done by them,they have on every occasion given a written quote ,even though I did not ask for it.
Re transfers from water to cradle..
They lift using a travelift and hence to a proper hydraulic trailer. Every time I have watched the team doing this and they are very meticulous in checking the slings,and locating the support points . The boat is then put onto purpose made tripod supports which are chained together .
The reason that they do not use the travelift all the way is because the yard is relatively small in area and this enables them to store the boats closer together.
Last autumn (2013) they bought a big (200 Tonne) travelift and correspondingly big trailer .They are also rebuilding the loading bay and surrounding area,the old bay was getting a bit past its best.
As I said We are now spending our 5th winter with them and cannot recommend them highly enough.
There are now two new restaurants outside the yard ,and we tried them both last time..£3 per head for lunch..workers menu.

PS I really cannot understand Chuteman's comments. We met him several times when we were there and he seemed perfectly happy . Who knows?

In the US customer expectations appear to be far higher than in the UK or in Europe. So I can understand his (slightly paranoid) concerns. However I'm afraid that the coming months, in Turkey, will be far less tranquil as Fethullah Gulen and Erdogan slug it out - in any case the economy is sliding downhill. Good news for rates of exchange but not so good for the rule of law.

 

[marcohain]

May I answer your question ? And apologies if I repeat my earlier comments.

Thank you Jamesmar. Much appreciated!

 

[Phiphi56]

I left Yatlift last Summer after 2 winters there (2011/12). I must say that we have been extremely desappointed. The people are ok, appart from de language problem. They always agree and say yes to your requests, you get a quotation, you give your ok, and at the end, you arrive on board and find that they did only what they wanted, and for important work, discover it's not properly done.
We asked for an anti osmosis treatment (7 layers of International treatment + antifouling). After 4 weeks of navigation, the antifouling was peeling of. I scratched it and found only one layer underneath the antifouling which went away without any effort with used sand paper, the keel was rusting, the keel/hull gasket was still like a paste (removed with finger). They recognized that there was a problem and agreed to redo the job but as we were afraid, they just put one more layer of antifouling to hidde the problem.
We asked for a roll bar on the transom (Turkish are renowed for doing good stainelesssteel work). It happenned the it was not passivated stainless steel and it rust !
We had a major problem with the swing keel, and they fixed nothing.
We accept quotation to redo gasket on the roof windows. Guess what they did, just add some sikka on the existing gasket and it still links.
To complete this picture, prices are at a european level (all over turky by the way, we pay 75€ for one night at Bodrum marina Khepra is a feeling 39)
It seems that Yatlif used to be a good yard, as from our exprience, just run away or at least don't give them any maintenance or work to do.
Philippe France