john_morris_uk
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I don't know, but my guess would be that the boat that they had that was coded Class 0 has an issue and they haven't got a boat available for commercial use that can be used legally for Ocean nav passages.
Yachtmaster Ocean qualifying passage
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I don't know, but my guess would be that the boat that they had that was coded Class 0 has an issue and they haven't got a boat available for commercial use that can be used legally for Ocean nav passages.
horatio_nelson
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Can you elaborate on the 'scepticism' you mentioned please?
alant
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Well, has already been voiced often on this forum, that having a vessel sail various 600 mile legs, with a group of students, each candidate being nominated 'skipper' for that leg, whilst having a professional 'Skipper' overseeing events, meets the ethos of an ocean passage whilst "in charge". I couldn't possibly comment.
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Does it matter? None of us are going to be called up to shove lighters of coal around the coast anymore, never mind deep sea. Enjoy the experience of learning and celebrate a successful pass and feel chuffed to discuss your Yachtmaster Ocean in the bar at the club.
alant
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Standards dear boy, standards.
capnsensible
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In case you missed it, I mentioned that the majority by far of Ocean Candidates require the qualification for work placement or advancement.
They do not joke about that in bars.........
lw395
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Yes, but having got the ticket, they then normally get a job as No2 to someone with a lot of miles under their belt. Or they've got a lot of real world experience already.
The people who employ YM-O's generally know what they are getting.
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In case you missed it I meant amateurs that do the Ocean who do it for their own benifet. Also, in case you missed it my context is framed around the tendency by some to cheapen their achievement, Again, in case you missed it, read my post again, I never suggested bragging, but to feel chuffed that they did the time and work to achieve the standard.
capnsensible
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Perhaps you might have said that all that then............
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steveej
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this thread is interesting to me, as I have been thinking of doing the ocean in 2018.
Although I have my commercially endorsed YM offshore, I regard myself as an amateur being in my mid 30's two young kids and a full time professional job. 3,000+ NM in 2017 was a big milage year for me.
I really would like to do the ocean but time off work is the big stumbling block for amateurs with 27 days holiday a year.
I believe First Class sailing are doing some ocean qualifying passages on a challenger (cat 0 coded vessel) in 2018.
I have noticed a reduction in schools offering the ocean qualifying passage since the recent court case, and I have even raised the query to the RYA who have not been able to provide any recommendations.
Of course there are deliveries which require flexibility around dates. Much more difficult for the amateur with wife kids and using up pretty much all their annual leave to cross the atlantic.
There are retired people
There are self employed contractors/consultants
There are employees
Much more difficult for the full time working employees in their mid 30's to do it I can assure you. I'm even looking at remortgaging my house to buy a mid 30ft production boat and taking it to Vigo and back. Still that level of commitment I feel I'm short changing myself by not doing a proper crossing
Although I have my commercially endorsed YM offshore, I regard myself as an amateur being in my mid 30's two young kids and a full time professional job. 3,000+ NM in 2017 was a big milage year for me.
I really would like to do the ocean but time off work is the big stumbling block for amateurs with 27 days holiday a year.
I believe First Class sailing are doing some ocean qualifying passages on a challenger (cat 0 coded vessel) in 2018.
I have noticed a reduction in schools offering the ocean qualifying passage since the recent court case, and I have even raised the query to the RYA who have not been able to provide any recommendations.
Of course there are deliveries which require flexibility around dates. Much more difficult for the amateur with wife kids and using up pretty much all their annual leave to cross the atlantic.
There are retired people
There are self employed contractors/consultants
There are employees
Much more difficult for the full time working employees in their mid 30's to do it I can assure you. I'm even looking at remortgaging my house to buy a mid 30ft production boat and taking it to Vigo and back. Still that level of commitment I feel I'm short changing myself by not doing a proper crossing
laika
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Why? That's a serious question not a judgemental rhetorical one. Was the 3k miles + YM commercial all part of one course and how did you manage the time off for that?
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lw395
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I don't think I've met anyone much in regular full time, 27 days leave employment doing 'real ocean sailing'.
That aside, I've known a few people team up on one person's boat to do a qualifying trip.
I would think you might find some people who intend to do the next ARC who might be looking to do a qualifying trip this summer?
Or a boat being brought home from the Med?
That aside, I've known a few people team up on one person's boat to do a qualifying trip.
I would think you might find some people who intend to do the next ARC who might be looking to do a qualifying trip this summer?
Or a boat being brought home from the Med?
steveej
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Why, because it's nice to learn new things, 'you don't know what you don't know', the fact I take my hobby seriously and the fact I'm only going to live once and set high standards of myself. The 3k miles were not part of a course. They were a mixture of offshore racing, a few channel crossings and trips to Brittany, med holiday with wife and toddlers, sailing my old little boat and weekends on friends boats etc
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Uricanejack
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Why? Because it's there.
Hope it works out.
Hope it works out.
Uricanejack
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I can't think of anywhere 601 straight line miles away I want actually want to bother sailing to.
I do have a crap old boat. And an interest in visiting Gwaii Hannis. It's over 600 miles
If anyone were interested. Take some organizing I suppose and seeing if it could be fudged to fit RYA rules.
I don't have any need for a YM but it might be interesting just because.
All I need is a copy of the syllabus and we could cover all the stuff. Don't rely on my cooking or victuals scurvy could be an issue.
If a small group could find a convenient time and interesting qualifying delivery to do I would possibly be interested.
I do have a crap old boat. And an interest in visiting Gwaii Hannis. It's over 600 miles
If anyone were interested. Take some organizing I suppose and seeing if it could be fudged to fit RYA rules.
I don't have any need for a YM but it might be interesting just because.
All I need is a copy of the syllabus and we could cover all the stuff. Don't rely on my cooking or victuals scurvy could be an issue.
If a small group could find a convenient time and interesting qualifying delivery to do I would possibly be interested.
laika
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Fair enough: that's a lot of miles for someone with limited holidays to pack in which might have suggested an intensive course for which some people might think the logical next step would be to do Ocean whereas the far better thing to do (if you don't plan on making a habit of crossing oceans) might be a few channel crossings, trips to Brittany, med holidays with the wife and toddlers and acquiring an old little boat to sail on weekends. But now I understand the motivation
MM5AHO
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Am I right tin thinking that a world circumnavigation, departing and arriving back at the same point, if non-stop, would not qualify as the departure and return points are not far enough apart?
steveej
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Thats a bit longer than 600NM. Svalbard looks good!
RobbieW
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The RYA are ahead of you there and have the following at the bottom of the section on passages - "Passages such as recognised races which may not comply exactly with these requirements may be submitted to the RYA for consideration before the voyage."