Yacht v red tanker

[boatbuilder]

For those of us who dont live around the Solent what was the outcome of the above entanglement.

 

[photodog]

1 nil.

 

[Talulah]

£20k fine. He's appealing. Basis of the appeal is tanker gave sound signal for port but turned starboard or vice versa. This was just before the 5 blasts.

 

[Reverend Ludd]

£20k fine. He's appealing. Basis of the appeal is tanker gave sound signal for port but turned starboard or vice versa. This was just before the 5 blasts.

Man, irrespective of what he signalled (Port or Starboard) you need to stay away from the pointy bit.
Especially when it's as big as a house.

 

[Seajet]

If that's the case, he may actually be thankful it's on video, hopefully with sound !

 

[Reverend Ludd]

If that's the case, he may actually be thankful it's on video, hopefully with sound !

Don't you think that the time it takes a tanker to start to move that defence will be out the window. Isn't there some kind of exclusion zone around a large ship in the solent.

 

[Tidewaiter2]

There certainly is...

Don't you think that the time it takes a tanker to start to move that defence will be out the window. Isn't there some kind of exclusion zone around a large ship in the solent.

; SWMBO knew that and quoted it straight at me just now, when I called this post to her attention- {of course, my SWMBO is not a hot to trot Cowes week male racer, just an experienced cruising female sailor(North Sea, Baltic, Channel, Normandie and Brittany)}-
1000m in front of such a vessel, 100m( or is it 500m) to each side(not that we'd want to be that close mind!).
Plus the pilot boat escort telling him to PUFO, was a bit of a giveaway to any regular Solent boater?

OH and it's on most Solent charts, pilots and chart software- i post as one who gave up 3 places in a race rather than risk sailing in front of the City of Chichester dredger in the North Channel in light airs; 8 crews lives are more important than a race.

 

[Giblets]

Was there not some discussion as to whether the tanker had actually entered the Area Of Concern at the time of the collision and, if not, would the 1000m x 100m rule apply?

 

[Tidewaiter2]

IMHR, the following apply

Was there not some discussion as to whether the tanker had actually entered the Area Of Concern at the time of the collision and, if not, would the 1000m x 100m rule apply?

The exculsion zone runs from when they cast off and pick up the escort, I believe- not a lot of water for one that size off the Hamble, Calshot or Netley shores- down the pipe or bust.
http://www.southamptonvts.co.uk/yguide.htm
Points 7 part 1 and 8 part 2 sum it all up really.

http://www.southamptonvts.co.uk/navigation.htm
worthwhile

http://www.southamptonvts.co.uk/nmariners.htm
LNTM 3 of 2011 point 4 & 14 of 2011 point 3 again sum it all up really

£20K fine or not, a trashed boat tells you you got it wrong going up against a large vessel with the Bramble Bank on it's one side and little room to maneouvre due to massed racing fleets on the other- big time!

A triumph of a poor lookout, or arrogance or stubbornness over seamanship and commonsense in my personal view- safety of your crew is paramount.

to paraphase; do your homework before racing, and don't be there near the big ones, my boy!

i'd like to see his legal costs final bill

 

[Colvic Watson]

Basis of the appeal is tanker gave sound signal for port but turned starboard or vice versa. This was just before the 5 blasts.

Good grief - when you're in a hole stop digging. Having screwed up in pursuit of race points, risked his crews' lives and injuring some of them then wrecked his boat he now wants to wriggle out on a technicality? He saw the ship and kept going

 

[prv]

The exculsion zone runs from when they cast off and pick up the escort, I believe

It's a marked geographical area. There isn't always an escort.

In any case, the precise limits of the "area of concern" are pretty much irrelevant - you don't go putting your yacht in front of a big ship in the Solent, full stop.

Pete

 

[RivalRedwing]

Good grief - when you're in a hole stop digging. Having screwed up in pursuit of race points, risked his crews' lives and injuring some of them then wrecked his boat he now wants to wriggle out on a technicality? He saw the ship and kept going

Do they have the power to bump up the fine ?

 

[Whitelighter]

Plus, with any luck his insure will refuse to payout due to gross neglegence

 

[jimmcgee]

there's 24 feet going past the bow

 

[l'escargot]

£20k fine. He's appealing. Basis of the appeal is tanker gave sound signal for port but turned starboard or vice versa. This was just before the 5 blasts.

Just out of interest, what is your source of that information?

 

[lenseman]

£20k fine. He's appealing. Basis of the appeal is tanker gave sound signal for port but turned starboard or vice versa. This was just before the 5 blasts.

Nothing reported on the MAIB web-site, where did you find that information?

 

[l'escargot]

Nothing reported on the MAIB web-site, where did you find that information?

I didn't think the MAIB were investigating and if they were it would be a record time for a report to be concluded. They don't apportion liability or impose penalties either.

 

[dt4134]

I didn't think the MAIB were investigating and if they were it would be a record time for a report to be concluded. They don't apportion blame or impose penalties either.

It is a shame they didn't investigate. I'd've been interested in an intelligent explanation of how he got into that mess in the first place and why he acted the way he did once he was very close.

 

[l'escargot]

It is a shame they didn't investigate. I'd've been interested in an intelligent explanation of how he got into that mess in the first place and why he acted the way he did once he was very close.

It would put a stop to the endless speculation and uninformed comments as well.

 

[VicS]

Was there not some discussion as to whether the tanker had actually entered the Area Of Concern at the time of the collision and, if not, would the 1000m x 100m rule apply?

having studied the videos, the chart and the AIS track of the tanker I'd say there was absolutely no doubt that the collision occurred within the "Area of Concern"
Approx 30 seconds after the collision you see Fawley PS chimney Gurnard buoy and the ship almost in transit!

The video starts parts way through the sound signal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tUoUxzt9sI