Yacht sail the rough ocean?

[yachtnoobie]

Hello everyone,

I am new to this web-site… actually I am new to yachting.
I would like to ask a few questions: (newbie questions)

Could anyone recommend a good, stable, inexpensive yacht that is able to sail the rough ocean?

What should I look for when checking out a yacht?

The Jaguar, Friendship and Fellowship (all above 8m length) have all caught my eye. Would these beautiful ladies be able to sail in stormy weather?

I hope to receive some responses as I really need the help.

Thanks in advance

Michael

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[Sea Devil]

Michael hi,

Buy my boat - sailed lots of rough oceans

on the web site under Sale

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[snowleopard]

it may sound harsh but if you are new to yachting you don't want to be buying a boat for ocean sailing.

get some experience in sailing schools and other people's boats and by the time you are ready to take on the oceans you'll have a fair idea what sort of boat will suit you.

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[jonjo]

Re: Secret Army on DVD

I have just been reading about your TV directing - fascinating.

Recently I could not convince a group of 20 and 30 year old sometings that "Allo Allo" was predated by a serious drama series based in a similar venue. Now I can buy the DVD and prove it, but I wonder if I will see the funny side in a post "Allo Allo" context?


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[Sea Devil]

Re: Secret Army on DVD

Although Jerry the producer was pretty annoyed about 'Allo Allo' I really did not mind too much - I think it was much like Dad's Army aimed at the gendre of 'war stories' rather than Secret Army particulaly. And it made me laugh..

The producers of the DVD kindly sent me copy of the series which I had not seen for 20? years - It was a real trip down memory lane. We made a pretty good series that I think would stand up today - it is one of the series (along with Warship and A Tale of 2 cities) that I feel most proud of having directed all or some of...

Not so sure about Howards Way!!!!!

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[webcraft]

If you are looking for a cheap but seaworthy boat that makes a good first yacht but that has the capacity for serious passagemaking then I would recommend looking at the Albin Vega or the Halcyon 27- you will be able to find pretty good examples of either for under £12,000 but both could be upgraded to safely cross oceans if you decide that is what you want to do.

(For long distance voyaging these are good boats for a couple or singlehander - if you plan a bigger crew then you need a 33 footer and the price for something similar of this length more than doubles, while running costs are also much higher.)

- Nick

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[billmacfarlane]

Agree with Snowleopard. Learn to sail first preferably in something forgiving and inexpensive that will be easy on your mistakes. When you get competent you'll then be able to judge for yourself what sort of boat you want for the next step. What on earth do you want to sail in "stormy seas" for?

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[Sgeir]

Re: Secret Army on DVD

agree with jonjo about the directing - very interesting. Was Blakes 7 the series with the seriously evil woman villain? Symberlan or something? Can I have an introduction please?

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[LadyInBed]

If I were you I would do a bit of sailing on the ‘smooth sea’ before deciding if you want to be out on a ‘rough ocean’.
You might also try the rough English Channel before making a decision.

And filling in a few more details on your profile always helps.


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[Sea Devil]

Re: Secret Army on DVD

Yes - Servalan I think it was - A real pleasure to be directing her - Have a lot of trouble with traffic these days.... Sometimes we all had a problem keeping a straight face as we"bravely went where others had been before"

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[mirabriani]

Re: Secret Army on DVD

Umm, Why would you want an introduction to a seriously evil woman?
Do you enjoy living dangerously?

Briani

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[Sgeir]

Re: Secret Army on DVD

Ah yes, Servelan. What about the intro then?

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[Sgeir]

Re: Secret Army on DVD

Err, not really. Sad, balding old git's ridiculous fantasy. Heaven forfend!

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[mirabriani]

Re: Secret Army on DVD

Understood.
If I as much as hint.......
Dearheart always mentions "Silly old sod making a fool of himself with a young etc"
I generally mutter "I'm looking forward to being old enough to make a fool of myself"
("Whats that you said")

Regards Briani



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[Talbot]

Re: Secret Army on DVD

I think the success of Allo Allo really cast the Secret Army into an unwarranted shade. It was a good series, but I am sure the possible repeats have been killed by the success of the other series.



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[Peter_Hull]

Michael,

It depends how much money you have to spend and what sort of sailing you want to do.

I have been sailing yachts since 1993 and dinghies off & on since I was in my early 20's I am now 57.

My first boat was a Vega 27. I was in a similar position to you and on my way to the boat show. On the coach on the journey an experienced sailor gave me good advice, buy a Vega, I took it and never regretted it.

It was an excellent starter boat weighs about 2.25 tons

The keel design is important, it determines the performance under sail and the streamlining of the under water parts. A 'long keel' gives good directional and lateral stablility but these can vary in weight. The Vega is not considered 'heavy displacement' which generally results in better stability. About 3000 of these Swedish boats were produced worldwide and there is an active Vega Club of UK for owners. They organise annual rallies, I never managed to take part in one but this will give you a good start if you buy a boat with an active Owners Club

It has a web site where you can buy boats and Vega owners will give you helpful advice, s/h boats fetch around £10K upwards depending on condition.

One or two Vegas have circumnavigated which is testimony to the design.

Bilge Keel boats have two keels which stay upright when the tide goes out which is useful for shallower waters but performance suffers because of the extra underwater drag.

They also do not 'point' so close to the wind, which means you will have to tack more often to reach your destination 'up wind'. It depends on the sort of sailing you want to do, shallow waters or deeper more exposed seas.

My next boat was a 28 foot Twister a traditional long keel design of the 70's which was heavier (4.5 tons) very stable and performed very well. I was well pleased with the boat but its was a bit narrow. OK for two or 3 crew but cramped with any more.

The Jaguar is a light displacement boat many have been used by charter companies. They tend to be limited to short passages. Someone on the web may have experience of these boats and carried out longer passages.

Don't be fooled by the capacity of the accommodation or number of berths in your first boat. When you get more experience you can upgrade to a bigger boat unless you have pots of money to throw around of course!

Other good designs are Nicholson 26, 32, 35 & 38 Contessa 32.

The other factor is resale value. You will want to recover your capital one day. Buy boats that sell well, they may cost more to buy but if you keep them maintained you will get most of your capital back, but not the annual maintenance mooring and storage costs which can be considerable depending on where you keep it!!



I wish you good sailing, it is a fantastic hobby and you will meet some very nice sailors who will all be willing to help you in your first season of sailing.

Keep your eye on the Met forecast, tidal streams and heights and do not get overambitious in your first season and you will gain in confidence and experience.



PS When the going gets tough you want a boat that you can be confident in if you are intending to go offshore.

I hope this helps.

Peter Hull

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[Sybarite]

Hi There and welcome to the site. A few observations :

All boats need to be sea worthy ; you can have as much difficulty close to a shore as in the middle of the ocean. The main difference is that weather forecasts can enable you to miss the worst bits.

Don't restrict your search to the UK. You can often get more for your money on the continent. And we are Europe now .... aren't we ?

Advice I got when first buying a cruiser : get one that allows standing headroom. You'll suffer if you don't - doubly so if Madame comes along.

Good luck.

John

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[ShipsWoofy]

or get a 5ft tall gurlyfriend

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Edit>> Oh God, obviously of the adult variety before anyone jumps in. Have to stay one step in front on this forum./forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Koeketiene]

Nice ensign. Made it yourself, did you?

Did you check with Kim? Is it legal to fly it here?

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